Ghosts Gone Wild: Discovery Bay

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Amy

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In our third installment of our spring break series, Ghost Gone Wild we’re headed to Discovery Bay, CA, and this was Megan's pick, so I'm going to let her tell you why she chose it and a little bit more about it.

Megan

So it's really, really scientific. Lots of Excel sheets went into this and I'm kidding. I saw the name of it was The Bone Collector and I really loved that movie starring Denzel Washington and Angelina Jolie. You should check it out if you haven't. It is very, very, very good. One of my probably top five favorite movies. I love anything with Denzel in it though, but I I really just and I did not see the end coming, so that it did throw me.

Amy

I don't remember it well enough to remember the ending.

Megan

Well, I won't spoil it, but OK, it's it's.

AP

I mean it is a how old movie?

Amy

That's true. Pretty old

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Megan

It was OK. It was his male nurse who was the killer.

AP

Oh shoot, I was going to watch it this weekend.

Megan

Because Denzel Washington is a quadriplegic, he used to be a police officer, and he was shot in the line of duty. And so he's now like a quadriplegic and his male nurse is super nice, which is how they get you. And he was killing based off of a book. I believe it was. And so he was setting up All these murders, so it was uh chefs kiss. It should have won.

AP

That's why when in The Equalizer he.

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AP

Kills everybody else. Got it?

Amy

He's getting back at everybody.

Megan

I didn't see that movie.

AP

There's three of them, no.

Megan

I'm sure they're relatively the same.

Amy

I  have read the book, though from The Bone Collector, and it's a whole series

Megan

Is it?

Amy

of with that that detective doing solving crimes in his wheelchair or Bed or whatever. Yeah. Really interesting.

Megan

Oh, OK. It was really good. So that's honestly why I chose it.

AP

Awesome.

Megan

That there was nothing else in into it. AP, What are we warning people about?

AP

Yeah, I've got a few different things. Throw any more in if you hear them. But in history, there's child fetal death in history and desecration, destruction of human remains, both ancient and recent, as well as suicide.

Megan

All right. So housekeeping, do you have any housekeeping?

AP

Well, I was going to tell you both my sister who works in a veterinary office, she's like office administrator kind Of, Front desk person. So she has to talk with people all the. Time on the phone.

Amy

It's my favorite thing.

AP

And she had she had a male client call in says, I think my dog has a UTI and she's like, OK. Yep. I looked at records. Dog was in in 2023, in June had a UTI, but hasn't had an exam and so told the owner. Hey, we're going to need to have her in for an exam.

AP

He said I can tell you that if I was a human female. Calling my doctor with a UTI I would not be required to come in for an exam.

Megan

Oh great. MHM.

AP

My sister said really Sir, because as a human female telling you my doctor would tell me to come in for an exam.

Now there are over the counter things that women can do if they know and that sort of stuff, but.

Amy

Yeah.

AP

If you want prescription. Yeah. We ain't just handing those out Willy nilly.

Megan

Which is no, yeah. That's how you lose your license.

AP

Yes. So she just kind of. And she's like, just said she was shaking. And she's like, how?

Megan

I can't with him.

AP

Is it that a male? Can tell me? Yeah. What my doctor would say. Yeah. And then she said he's kind of a pain in the ass anyways, and he's a Stoner guy. Yeah.

Megan

What? And he never questioned. That he was a pain in the ass.

Amy

Right. Yeah, usually stoners are pretty chill. Yeah.

Megan

Not that he was a stalker. Yeah.

AP

Well, maybe he wasn't at this point in.

Megan

Ohh. Time he needs to. So I learned this week from my new favorite podcast. Let's Go To Court. Their bonus episode why Marijuana is called Marijuana, and it's horribly racist.

Amy

Oh, no, really.

Megan

Yeah. So I'm sure AP knows this.

Amy

look At you're spilling some backs at AP doesn't know.

Megan

Hang on. I gotta go get my diary. Your diary. Big day.

AP

And sorry, I'm not big into drug culture.

Amy

Ohh OK Ohh OK.

Megan

So it's like that.

Amy

So you don't know it all. That's what you're saying?

AP

Give me time. I'll go and research.

Megan

So. From so in the 1930s, and I'm going to butcher it because it was like 3 days ago and you all know how my memory is. It's like a calendar, no?

Amy

Dory doesn't remove every.

Megan

But essentially this man, there was a a murder man killed his whole family and he he was like in his 20s. I think a young man 2021 somewhere in there.

AP

No, it's now.

Megan

And so he was a family Annihilator and there was the rumor that he was. Walking the Mary Jane. And so this other man, Henry something Henry for last name. Henry in the 30s took it upon himself to use this case as proof that marijuana is bad for you and he was super racist. Go figure. And so the reason that he called it marijuana is because it sounded. Like it was from Mexico. And so it would relate like correlate Mexicans with crime and that's why he started calling it marijuana. So it would give people a negative image about Mexicans.

AP

Hmm.

Amy

Wow. What was it called before?

AP

That is way too much. Thank you.

Megan

I don't know. I don't know. What it was called before. Probably cannabis, because that's the the name of the plant.

Speaker

Oh.

Amy

Yeah. Yeah. OK.

Megan

Unlike AP, I know a lot about drug culture. Just kidding. But I learned that this weekend I was like. It was horribly racist, shocking because not many things in this country are but.

AP

No, nothing.

Amy

OK, AP did a little digging on this because we weren't sure this was accurate. It's not, at least not 100%. I am going to link an article in the show notes, but here's a snippet from that quote bottom. Claim. The claim that politicians intentionally popularized the term during prohibition is false because the word was being used decades before then in the United States, people shouldn't have a problem using marijuana. In fact, erasing the word brings its own problems. That is, from the Missouri independent.com.

Megan

I'm sorry I that just reminded me of the man thing from your sister. Like men telling us everything's good for her. I think she handled that very professionally.

AP

Yeah, no. Yes. She she does. Pretty well. She doesn't let a lot get to her, but there are a few times. Where things get.

Megan

I'm sorry, but when a man like it's the the Tik toks I saw TikTok where a man said that women's periods are unnatural. And they're caused by stress. And so women just need to be less stressed, and that way they wouldn't have the period.

AP

I hope he says that to a bunch of women in their face.

Amy

Right. I'm sure he does when they're. Messing.

Megan

He he doesn't or he'd be.

Amy

Dead. He would lose his. Head he would.

Megan

Be dead. Well, you know.

AP

You'd be better off for it.

Megan

Everybody would be better off for us, so a little bit about it. Today we joined Heather and her husband Jonathan in Discovery Bay, CA. Their house, which was previously owned by her father, has had activity since the day they moved in. Not only is their activity for her, but Heather also believes the house gave her father lung cancer, which led to his death at 67, and her son Bailey, who's 21, had was diagnosed with what they believe is Ms. Everyone in the family has had some sort of experience, whether they were grabbed. Jonathan and Bailey were grabbed. Heather wakes up with bruises, cupboards are opening and shutting, and they're all seeing the same apparition. Heather is worried that her children's lives are in danger, and she reached out to Steve and Amy for help. While digging through the archives, Steve discovers several several disturbing things, including a man who had nothing but tragedy in his life, a burial ground disruption that dates back centuries, and theft of human remains. Amy encounters several beings on her walk, including a couple in their 30s and a tall, skeletal man who has hate in his heart, who she is truly concerned about. Will Heather, Jonathan, and their family be safe, or will they be driven out of their home and forced to build a life somewhere new?

AP

By the way, you. Guys I have so many notes from this episode.

Speaker

You.

Amy

Nobody more than normal.

Megan

I just watched it three hours ago, so it's all up here.

AP

I had to. I'm glad I watched it when I did because I started digging in to see if I could find the family. And I did. And I found some information on YouTube for a woman or somebody claiming to be the daughter, but she had enough comments that were similar. That makes me think that it was the daughter that wasn't featured in the show.

Megan

No mackenzie. No. Michaela. Michaela. Yeah.

Amy

Kayla. Dollar here. That's why I write everything down, because if someone goes, what's the person's name? I'm not, you know, we got to know.

Megan

So did you not just listen to my on point retelling of the marijuana? 3.

AP

Yeah. About that.

Megan

Deal trap.

AP

Anyway, they're trapper.

Amy

Yeah.

Megan

Yes, it's like a fishing net.

AP

With a giant hole in the.

Megan

Middle yes, all the fish get out. Which is good, because fishing Nets kill a lot of animals. That they aren't meant for, like turtles and dolphins and whales and sharks.

Amy

Shouldn't be a mess.

AP

They are way better than they used to be, and there's a lot of regulations that go into it, but there are people just like poachers. There are people. Well, they would be poachers, just fishermen, poachers of who go and do it the craptastic way of catching everything.

Megan

I'm sure. Are which is good. I missed the show. I don't remember what it was called. Shut up. It was on Discovery Channel and it was about.

Amy

At least get.

Megan

No. It is about these people who would go into the Antarctic Ocean and try to destroy the Japanese fish or fishing boats that were trying to catch whales illegally.

AP

Hmm.

Megan

It was really good. Don't remember what it's called. But I didn't just watch it this afternoon either. So.

Amy

OK, I'd be worried about you.

Megan

Do that. I just want to point out that I loved Heather's red lips. I love a red lip. I think he wasn't very cute. Lips. Yeah, she was cute. She was very cute.

Amy

1. So do we want to just kind of go through or do we want to?

Megan

Uh, let's go through and then we can chat as we need to or as we have thoughts. Does that sound OK? Yeah. So I'll be silent because, you know, no thoughts. That was a joke on me.

Amy

1. So let's see. We start out with Steve talking to them. Oh, the first thing is that Amy says that there there's one person that is invested in getting rid of the problem and somebody else who does not want it to stop.

Megan

And they never touched on that again.

AP

There's a lot. There's a lot of stuff that they don't touch on, and then there's stuff that I think they're trying to make a connection to that I don't feel that that is what the connection is to. And having talked with enough of our clients now that.

Amy

Million.

Megan

MHM.

AP

Or if their clients and our guests that it's. They piece things together to make it fit for the show, like the couple in their 30s that she sees dead. I do not think that that is who they're.

Megan

Mm-hmm.

AP

Thinking because it's.

Megan

I do not either.

Amy

No, he was a ******* vortex. Yeah.

AP

It's a ******* vortex that they're.

Amy

Anybody.

Megan

Yeah.

AP

Or there's four vertices in the. Ohh, so how can?

Megan

It could be literally anybody in the entire history of time.

AP

How how can we say it's not one of the cremains that was found a mile away?

Megan

One of the 5000 cremains. Yeah. Yeah. So that one.

AP

MHM.

Megan

Yeah, but I. I know I was like, oh, we're going to get more. On that, no, we never did.

AP

I think they needed this one. Felt like throwing in that cremains piece was because we needed something to fill some time. Because we can only talk about each part of the case for so long, and that it was a really. It I mean it's a travesty with the this person did.

Megan

100%.

Amy

You know you're talking about the pilot. Yeah. Yeah, we should flush that out. So people know we're talking about. Yeah. So there was a pilot. Well, OK. The story starts out that a bunch of human remains, cremains cremated remains.

Speaker

But I don't think.

AP

The pilot. Yeah.

Amy

Were found in a storage locker and locker. Yeah, 5000. And it was. It was connected back to a man who was a.

Megan

5000.

AP

Pilot Alan Kenneth Vieira.

Amy

Who stopped what? No. Who?

Megan

I was just about to say that.

Amy

You get the next one. OK, so yeah, he. I'm. I've got my notes, but I'm not. Even looking at him. Cause I've got I've. Part is made further down in this part, but that he he used to have a job where he would take people's remains and spread them, you know, using his airplane that he flew would spread the cremains over the ocean. But he lost his license and.

AP

In 1985.

Amy

Didn't run over, yeah. And this was in 90.

AP

This was in 1997, June 5th, 1997 was when the tenant, the tenant next door, noticed a bunch of. Just coming into his. His unit, and that's when they got in there and found 5000 remains remains stacked floor to ceiling.

Megan

It wasn't.

Amy

Yeah.

Megan

MHM.

AP

With nearly with some of the boxes being.

Megan

Crushed from the weight.

AP

Which is. From the weight, which is why the cremains were flying out and then when they went to go and find him at his hangar where he kept his plane, that he couldn't play anymore.

Amy

I'm surprised he still had a plane that he couldn't fly. Why would he still have a hangar?

Megan

That's weird.

AP

Because he had, he had to keep the roofs. I guess, but they found they found another thousand remain boxes there though.

Amy

Somebody would notice he wasn't flying.

Megan

Or maybe he was like, hoping.

AP

So there were 6000 donates.

Megan

Maybe he was hoping that one day he would get it back and need it. Like his license back could need the hanger maybe.

Amy

I don't know how he lost his license. I.

AP

Didn't look into him. I didn't look into him at all. But yeah, he was a commercial pilot. Worked for the funeral homes, but I would assume. But. You know, some of the deliveries were probably coming from. Some of them were probably coming from the funeral homes that they would have to deliver them out to him. So that would make sense that he would keep his hangar and plane. I mean, maybe he bought the plane and it was already paid for kind of thing.

Megan

Oh for sure.

AP

Doesn't matter. You know, a lot of people aren't always checking to see you're coming and going or paying attention or knowing what your job is sort of thing. They just know. Like, are you clear to take off type stuff? I know everything about planes.

Megan

OK.

AP

I know nothing, but that's that's just what I can assume. And you know is the 80s and 90s.

Amy

There were no rules back then.

AP

No, but they got 7 arrest warrants for him. That was the. That was what I found was so crazy like.

Megan

They did. I thought that was. Salmon.

AP

Do we need 7?

Amy

Are they maybe because they were in different counties or something and they didn't know where they? Were going to find. Him. Yeah. They didn't explain that very well.

AP

Have no idea.

Megan

Or maybe they wanted to make sure that they got. They got him on something.

Amy

Yep. Yeah. Maybe they were all.

AP

For different things and and he went on the run and they found his car and about 200 yards away from his car. He had died by suicide. Most of the families got the cremains back, but there were several hundred that were too mixed, missing or had no identification that they could not get back to the families.

Megan

For yeah. Can you imagine?

Amy

No, I'd be pretty ******.

Megan

For sure, yeah.

AP

Just the the. Collecting a paycheck the no no thought for human life.

Megan

Well, it's the I'm sure he was like, well, it's a victimless crime because everyone's dead.

Amy

Yeah, I'm sure that's what he thought. I'm sure that's what he told himself.

Megan

You know.

Amy

Yeah. Or anybody who would have asked.

AP

But I was so isn't it crazy that there was? 6000 people that wanted their ashes spread over the ocean.

Amy

In that one part of California. Yeah, it is.

AP

Kind of odd, I mean, and he was in Stockton so that they said it was like 60 miles east of San Francisco. So I mean, it's probably a good radius, but still that's that's a lot. Of people, that's a lot of people.

Amy

Yeah.

Megan

Yeah.

AP

But that's all we hear about that. We don't hear anything more. This is not brought up really in the reveal.

Amy

No, nothing about him or but like you said, it's possible that those some of those people that Amy saw.

AP

Hmm.

Amy

We're we're from left and from that thing, yeah situation.

AP

OK.

Amy

Yeah. Maybe they left it in just so that somebody like you would say that. You know, yeah, could. Be we'll give them the out. Or not actually matching things up.

AP

Well, and I think. It was interesting that we had this and ancient. You know, ancient. That were discovered and I know that like.

Megan

Mm-hmm.

AP

I saw a lot of people making comments and on ancient burial sites, this being 3 to 4000 years old, the fact that they continue to builds and not let anybody know that that's what was going on. But we all have to be on top of.

Megan

Yeah.

Speaker

Yeah.

AP

People at some point in time in our life because think of how many people have been here, not saying it's like it's kind of like that thought of like how many people have you passed? It might. Be a serial killer, right? Yeah, yeah. Or I heard the other one the other day is how many houses have you passed that there's a?

Megan

This.

AP

Person trapped in the basement like, Oh my God.

Speaker

Yes.

Amy

Probably not very many I. Have no hope.

AP

No Fear unlocked.

Megan

This takes place in Contra Costa County, which is the same county that the Golden State killer was in, just to let you know, I'm just doing a quick bit of research on the site.

Speaker

MHM.

Amy

I noticed that it was Contra Costa County. When I looked at somebody's paper. Work. I think it was. I don't know. Somebody's death certificate or something. And it said that and I was like, I know, I know that one's there's something about that county. And I knew it had something to do with Paul Holes, but I didn't put all that together.

Megan

Yeah. So July 4th, 1997, from San Francisco Gates, SF Gate the identities of another 180 will probably remain a mystery because they weren't properly labeled or the boxes had been decayed.

AP

MHM.

Megan

And he left a note that said I'm sorry for the pain I caused, but I can't find how he lost his license.

Speaker

Hmm.

Megan

And maybe it's one of those things where like it's like a nursing license or you know an MD where you have to constantly renew it and he just didn't renew.

Amy

We just have to, yeah.

Megan

It I.

AP

Well, and it's not just, yeah. And those like teacher license and and nursing license you have to take classes in order to get so many.

Megan

Don't want any pilot's license talking. Yeah. And tests. Yeah, you do. You have two for sure.

Amy

Credits. Oh, I'm sure you do for pilots.

AP

Too, I would assume the same I mean. That is, you're you're otherwise driving a giant bomb in the air like.

Megan

Mm-hmm. Right. I mean for sure we have to take continuing education. Yeah. I'm not going to because. I don't want to anymore.

AP

Yeah.

Amy

I I wanted to mention that that I was also thinking about maybe they kept that in there because of the the bone collector thing. Yeah. Yeah. And like he was collecting all these bodies. However, as we talked about before, cremains do not have bones in them because bones do not. And maybe they kept it in for the gore, not the gore.

AP

When I get when it gets hot enough, the bones the. Bones can bust.

Amy

Well, they'll break. Yeah, but no, it's the other way around. I forgot. It's the other way around. When a body is cremated. The bones are leftover. And that is what is ground up and given to the family. So it was bones. Yeah. Have you?

AP

Have you watched True Detective and seen that part?

Amy

In the I have not seen. I don't think I'm as far. In as you.

AP

Are well, it finished last night, so there's only six episodes.

Amy

I didn't. We're not caught up.

AP

But yeah, the so. I keep thinking back to one of the cases that got me into thinking about true crime, which was the Katie Poyer case here in Minnesota and Moose Lake. All that was found of her was her molars.

Megan

MHM. Teachers army.

AP

And that was in a that was in a burn pit on his property. And I will not say his name and I hate the fact that. Her name?

Amy

His name is right there was there.

AP

His name and his picture comes up.

Amy

Right now.

Megan

Yeah, I know. According to the Internets, the bones are then pulverized so the soft tissue of the body vaporized, leaving the skeleton. The bones are then pulverized into a fine powder, which is also returned to the family along with the ashes. So Amy was correct.

Amy

I just know that from.

Megan

Right. That's what I like. True crime garage. They never. They always refer to the murder as the killer. They, like, will say their name like once. And then they're like, they're not getting any more airtime, which is good, because that's all these ******* want. Oh, some of them. Yeah. Who's that one? Canadian.

Amy

Yes.

AP

Mm-hmm.

Amy

Uh. Some of them. Mm-hmm. Like, they want the notoriety. One whose name I won't say, but starts with an.

AP

L so when I was in.

Megan

Ohh him.

Amy

So don't **** with cats, so yeah.

Megan

I don't even remember his name, honestly. I didn't, but oh, there it is.

AP

When I was in teaching one of my last year's teaching, we actually had active shooter training. From local FBI. Here and basically basically, they said every school does it wrong because the schools are all told to lock your kids in the room, whatever. And they are all.

Amy

We did that at the club too.

AP

Like. If you get a chance to get. Out get the ****. Out run and be in a science classroom. It was always going to be like if we're going to get out of here, you're getting out of here and I will barricade the door and you get out, like, because science classrooms always have an extra door at the back. But when they know that, but they would talk about that on like the dark webs and everything there are. Of those mass shooters, those mass killers and people are idealizing them, trying to get higher up. It's like a ******* video game to them. It's not. It's like it's not real life to some of them and they have all these lists. And so FBI tracks, that is tracking that kind of stuff. So.

Megan

Hmm. MHM. This is sick.

AP

Every time, like, can we just not give them cool names? Can we give them tiny penis names like?

Megan

Like Golden State, killer should have been micro penis name like micro penis killer or bad breath killer. Or Ramirez? Yeah, like nasty teeth. Killer. He's so gross. He was all ******* gross. Yeah, I think of all the serial killers. He's the grossest. I don't know. There's a lot of really gross ones. I don't know. He's pretty ******* gross. Anyways. That well, that's true. Yeah. I'm not saying they're not, but.

Speaker

Which?

AP

Ohh yeah. Yeah, they always. So yeah, so. But yeah, there. There's just, there's a lot of.

Megan

It just.

AP

I don't know. There's just a lot of stuff in this episode that I I think they tried hard to connect because it wasn't clear all the way through and even, you know, the the area, the burial sites that we spoke about, they were labeled the Marsh Creek people because they don't know who they were. They were hunter.

Megan

Mm-hmm.

AP

Other people which you can usually tell based off of their teeth. Yep, the the wear patterns and and what they're doing and plus their utensils that they have.

Megan

I knew that.

AP

And it's it's always interesting when you have, like, a burial site and then you never see anything of. That. Or like a holy home site. And then you never see anything of that people ever again throughout history. It's just like they just.

Megan

Well, yeah.

AP

Completely disappear.

Megan

Yeah. Well, let's talk about the family and what they experienced. So we have, Heather, who's the mom? The rock and a red lip. She's had she's woken up with bruises in her inner thighs. No, thank you. Did not like that they did. I am too. But like, so she would. She had pictures that she showed Steve of some bruises. And those were some, like, serious bruises. Like sometimes they'll show pictures. And I kind of have to squint to find them.

Amy

I know. And she said that they just glossed right over that kind of glad they did. But yeah.

AP

Yes. Yeah, no.

Megan

These were not like that. Like these were ******** bruises. She would hear cups rattling in the kitchen. She would cupboards would open. So, you know, she'd hear them opening and closing. She'd go and look and like nothing's out of place. Which. No, thank you.

AP

Though one of my favorite things is as we open up with Steve, he goes beautiful neighborhood, beautiful house, but I guess looks can be deceiving. Thanks Steve.

Amy

Wrote thou.

Speaker

No.

AP

I bet you did.

Megan

Can we stop saying stuff like that like that **** happens in every neighborhood, whether it's paranormal or real.

AP

Like. Yeah. Also also at the very end, I don't know if you guys caught this, but what if our takeaways that we were seeing a lot in early in season 15?

Megan

MHM.

AP

Your marriage was on the rocks, but looks like you might be. Able to save it. Just it was something like that. What I think I wrote it down, but it was just kind of like.

Megan

Then.

AP

He just had something about like, oh, your marriage was on the rocks or you thought your marriage was over. It was like, really. You thought your marriage was on the rocks.

Amy

Their marriage was over.

Megan

Yeah. So the only explanation is paranormal.

Amy

That's right, yes.

AP

Obviously.

Megan

I will say one thing and maybe AP did research on this or just knows, but when they said Bailey was diagnosed with Ms. and they said it was, they thought it was and his treatment was chemotherapy. Is that a normal? Treatment for Ms.

AP

There's different treatments and I can't speak to a lot of them, but there's I know variations because it is.

Megan

OK.

AP

The way that it it moves in the body, I don't know if it's necessarily chemo, if it's radiation.

Megan

OK, they kept saying chemo and I.

AP

She's said chemo. She did say chemo. It's not cancer. Yeah, but so.

Amy

Was like I thought that too, I was like.

Speaker

Alright.

Megan

I mean, get your medical advice here, folks. But alright.

AP

Right. Yeah, yeah. I mean, but a lot of people. Often confuse the. 2.

Megan

Mm-hmm.

AP

Because they're almost used interchangeably. When people talk about things.

Megan

Right.

Amy

But I mentioned a mother whose child was going through it would know the difference. I can see how Steve might say it wrong if he doesn't get it the right info, but.

AP

Yeah, I yeah.

Amy

OK, me again. We did also want to get to the bottom of this. The idea that chemo is a treatment for Ms. or multiple sclerosis. First of all, and this is from the Johns Hopkins Medicine website, multiple sclerosis, Ms. is a chronic disease of the central nervous system. Ms. is unpredictable. Some people may only be mildly affected, others may lose the ability to see clearly, right, speak or walk. Early symptoms can include vision problems. Trouble walking and tingling feelings. Then as it pertains to chemo, I found this on healthline.com quote the chemotherapy drug mitoxantrone can potentially treat Ms. by suppressing the activity of white blood cells that attack myelin and reducing damage to your central nervous system and emergency therapy for Ms. is. Chemotherapy combined with an autologous bone marrow transplant that's from June 20th, 2023. So pretty current. So that's that. Just wanted to clear that up.

Megan

I'm surprised when when Jonathan was talking about getting grabbed on the leg, I'm surprised. Did Steven say when was the dogs? Because he's like you were. Alone in the room.

AP

Which they do have dogs and cats.

Megan

And he didn't say anything about that.

AP

No, because I did. I did do some research. So Bailey is living in a different state and is engaged as of flipping through their Facebook page ad couple of years ago, he might be married now there's at least one older brother and one older sister.

Megan

Oh, good for him, yeah.

Amy

Sure.

Megan

We're all well, they only they only ask who lives in the house. I mean, they don't say who's in the family. That's just.

AP

That are not talked about. No, but sometimes they'll say, like my older son or my older daughter. But those weren't brought up. And then as I was flipping through those YouTube comments, Michaela, she said, step mom in one of them.

Amy

Yeah.

Megan

That's not.

AP

And so I I'm curious if potentially that it's a blended family.

Megan

Maybe.

AP

So I don't know for sure that was just there, just happened to be a comment. She she uses mom and step mom and both talking about I think both are talking about her.

Speaker

Hmm.

Amy

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Like it to.

AP

Me. When I when I when. Yeah, I sent Amy all the screenshots because I knew she was watching it before you, Megan. I didn't want to give anything away, so I was like, I'm going to send these to you just in case.

Megan

Next year. No, you're you're you're right. Like you know me well. I was literally watching it at 4:00 this afternoon, and we started recording at 7. Everybody. So yeah.

Amy

I know what drives Amy, Amy's but mad, but like I just. I just you guys are procrastinate. I'm a procrastinator, you know. And sometimes that's fine. I I used to be too. But I have gotten bit in the *** so many times by putting something off and then at the time that I've set aside to do that thing, I can't do it for whatever reason. And then I'm ******, you know, which is why I don't do that.

AP

**** happens.

Speaker

Yeah.

Amy

Anymore. I'll get it done early and then I don't have to worry about it. Yeah, I just. I don't want to worry about it. That.

Megan

You know. Should be my mentality but. Here we are at 39.

Amy

If you try it, maybe it'll work for you. Maybe it won't, but but.

Megan

I maybe I'll try it. I've done it a couple of times, yeah. You have and I'm always done by the time the shows start. That's true. So.

AP

Maybe that's always a good.

Megan

Thing, but yeah, I. Yeah.

AP

Well, and going back to Bailey, they talked about.

Megan

I have other qualities.

Speaker

Yes you do.

AP

But I was going to say going back to Bailey, they talked about that they never fought or, you know, and depressed, you know, he's got depression to him. Like, OK, well, he's been diagnosed with Ms. which is a life altering diagnosis 20 times.

Megan

Yes. At. One. Mm-hmm. Like given.

AP

It's potentially Ms. it could be other things, it could be some other and you know autoimmune disease or something like that, but.

Megan

Which I don't understand. I don't understand how they don't know. Isn't that a blood test?

Amy

Well, and she.

Megan

Again, get your medical advice.

Amy

Here I don't know, I I it's diagnosed but.

AP

I think when it's in, people who are younger, there are potentially other signs that come through that is it clear or not. And so they they were obviously in the process of.

Megan

Sure.

AP

Trying to figure out what exactly it was, or maybe also that hope that it's not Ms. and that it is something that's more easily treatable. Yeah. Didn't see anything else on that when I was kind of looking through it did look like he was still had some immune compromise because of some of the posts were like wear. Your damn. Masks. You know, that sort of thing.

Megan

Yeah.

AP

But you know with with that I'm like. And you maybe have some emotions and you know you're you're his mom and loves you. But you know, sometimes we all have that with people that we love is like.

Amy

Yeah.

Megan

Mm-hmm. Stop. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

AP

Stop asking me everything and just give me space. I don't know.

Megan

And yeah, there's going to be anger in the house, too, like anger. That why? Why me? At 21 years old, why my son at 21 years old? So like.

Amy

Yeah, yeah.

AP

So I totally get some of that, but I also appreciated that. I think Jonathan and then later on I think Heather. Said like, I'm not like this away from the house, I get, really. I and I.

Megan

Yeah, I did. Yeah. And he didn't strike me as an angry guy. But one thing I did not like that Steve said is exactly that. And I, he's like, you don't strike me as an angry guy like. Who's gonna what abuser. And I'm not saying he is. He didn't seem like it, but like what abuser is going to be like that? And what angry person is going to be like that to people they know?

Amy

Hmm especially.

Megan

On TV.

Amy

When the cameras are rolling, yeah.

Megan

They're going to be charming. So like Steve, don't say **** like that like. I just did.

Amy

But like, don't be like me, Steve.

Megan

Come on. Yeah. And they like me step. So I didn't. I didn't like that. Like I get where he was coming from, you know. But at the same time, it's like we don't know what goes on behind closed.

Amy

Yeah.

Megan

Doors in any house.

Speaker

Yeah.

AP

I will say there was two things that caught me that Bailey said that his mom calls him a gentle giant and then I think I think she called him a big boy later on in the show. And I was like.

Megan

Don't really like that.

AP

Like I I get it. That's like names they use for kids, but. Like he was tall, like was very tall.

Amy

He was, I noticed he towered over Steve. Yeah, I noticed that too. And Steve even said you're a big guy. Yeah. And he talked about getting his like crap.

AP

And that's when he said, yeah, my mom calls me a gentle giant and.

Megan

Stevenson hated it.

AP

So I I just. Caught out to some of those.

Amy

He's all standing real tall and puffed up.

Megan

He's like someone. Give me. A milk crate to stand there.

AP

Wasn't enough boxes around for him? But you know.

Megan

Get one more, Steve.

AP

He just he did seem like a very. Sweet kid and yeah. He did. You know that sort of stuff and.

Megan

Everybody in the family did actually, I thought I did like them until the very end. I really did like them. I thought they were very nice and they do seem legit and the the sometimes some of the the things that are happening in the show. I'm like you called people because of this.

AP

OK.

Megan

Yeah, but like they had some serious.

Amy

Stuff happening. Well, I think that it was mostly that that.

AP

The tall man with the yeah, the skeleton. The skeleton dude.

Amy

Shadow thing that shadow operation, the other stuff was PK. Yeah. Was like, stuff crashing. Things falling. Down with her.

Megan

No, not the grabbing though.

Amy

Yadda yadda yadda. And that's find out. That's all her. No, the grabbing was the.

AP

Yeah, but that's a skeleton dude.

Amy

Skeleton dude, so everything could be attributed to either the skeleton dude or her or her vocal abilities. Whether has abilities.

Megan

Ohh yeah yeah, yeah yeah. But.

AP

1. Well, at at one point, and I wrote this in here cause I thought it was kind of funny and watching Steve. 'S face when. She said this. She was just talking about how they don't fight. And Steve goes well, what do you think it is because he always says well.

Amy

Yeah, I wrote this down too.

AP

What do you think it is? And she goes. Yes. It even told me that and Steve's face. Was like what?

Amy

I know, but then they just cut.

Megan

Never talked about again.

AP

And then she.

Amy

I'm sure he interrogated her. They just kind of.

AP

She says. I want that *** ** * ***** gone and yeah, Jonathan talks about Meghan's favorite a spider crawling down his face, but it wasn't actually a spider. And then he was being choked. Bailey talks about being grabbed in bed. We can only assume that most likely Michaela is having those feelings as well. From this skeleton dude.

Megan

Wasn't enough MMM. Also, if I thought a spider was on.

Amy

We had winter.

Megan

My face, I wouldn't gently brush it aside. I wouldn't be like I wouldn't be like **** spider shoe.

AP

You would punch yourself in the face.

Amy

It was that cute little one that waves it. It's mommy.

Megan

I would literally knock myself unconscious trying to get that.

AP

Spider off my finger, but I will ask Megan. What? Where? The black eye come from spider?

Speaker

Thanks.

Megan

Myself because I thought my spider was on my face. My friend in in Bahrain sent me a video of spiders like. I will say I am getting much better, like I don't feel like immediate sweats when I see spiders on and my stomach doesn't drop and I don't stop breathing, but she sent me. I know that's a start. That's a start to start. She sent me this video of this guy who would have like baby spiders in his hand. And then what? How big they grow. And she's deathly afraid of cockroaches. And I said, oh, it's on again.

Amy

OK.

Megan

So I'm going to find a bunch of cockroach videos to.

Amy

Send her. Oh, I'm sure that. Won't be hard to do.

Megan

I will say some tarantulas are very beautiful. They are very pretty, but I don't want them on my face and I'm not going.

Amy

Yeah. Yeah. No, I don't.

Megan

Be like.

Amy

Hi.

Megan

Ohh, let me gently lift you onto a leaf. Yeah. No. Yeah. Jonathan is a braver man than me because he was like, yeah, I just brushed up to knock it off my face.

Amy

Yeah.

AP

Sir, I don't think my brain would go to spider right away. It would probably go to like dog hair.

Amy

Yeah.

Megan

No mind immediately goes to Spider and I look like a crazy person, like those wacky inflatable 2 men.

Amy

That's what I look like. Yeah.

Megan

Sorry, I'm derailing us, I'm not.

Amy

I have to we have stink bugs in our that get into our house. They were gone for the longest time.

Megan

You still have. Those they yes, they wear.

Amy

Spring around. Yep, I used Irish spring around the windows, which is what I saw exterminator on TikTok site to do, and I even asked the people that come to our house and like, yeah, that's what you do. So I did that and they were gone for a long time. But the other day.

AP

They come right back.

Speaker

M.

Amy

I'm downstairs in the bar kitchen making my breakfast and I go over to the bar to pick up my phone while I'm waiting for the toast and I look next to me and there's a stink bug sitting right there.

Megan

Mm-hmm.

Amy

And I lost. I just, I screamed. I threw my phone. I was not expecting. No, that but you smash it, though. No, you can't do it. I that would be my. That would be my initial reaction. It's just smack them.

AP

Stay that bad. They they really don't smell that bad because we yeah, because I usually grab like a paper towel and just squeeze them and throw.

Amy

9. Them in the garbage. Oh, I was going to just grab it and throw out the garbage alive. But I didn't want to do that. I didn't want to.

Megan

God, you're so brave, Amy.

Amy

Usually I just take them, put them outside but.

Megan

I just remembered something when I got back from California, I was going to the bathroom and the way that our bathroom is is like the toilet faces the tub with like, just a few inches in between y'all a spider came over the edge that was so big I could see I'm looking right into the camera. I could see its bangs. It's things and I killed it because it was one in the morning and I couldn't wake anybody up. I almost died, you guys, it's thanks.

Amy

Grouse. Gross.

Megan

I hate spiders so much. I try not to kill them if I find them in my house because I know they're good for the environment. But I'm sorry, what a tarantula is crawling over my tub and I can see it's fangs. I'm gonna. You're dead.

Amy

It wasn't a tarantula, though.

AP

Big, sharp, pointed teeth.

Megan

Yeah. Anyways.

AP

No. Do you know what do you know what movie that's from?

Megan

No, I don't.

AP

Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

Amy

It's all the.

Megan

Long time since I've seen that movie.

Amy

Rabbit's big shot. Pointy teeth. The rabbits, yeah.

Megan

That's such a good movie. The only scene I really remember is the Black Knight, because everybody remembers that scene.

AP

Yeah, we are the Knights who say.

Amy

OK, anyways, I'm having flashbacks to high school. When my youth group used to was filled with a bunch of guys that loved Python And they would just do those ******* voices all the time. And you know, young American boys trying to do English accents. Terrible. Not my favorite thing in the world.

Megan

My ex-husband? No. My ex-husband used to do it all the time and he was the worst. The worst. He did it to actual British people and they were like, shut the **** **.

Amy

That's mortifying. Yeah. No, no, thank you. No, thank you.

AP

Back to the shelves.

Megan

It gives me that.

Amy

I'm I'm almost out of water now. Yeah, well.

AP

I think the only other big thing that was uncovered that we haven't talked about or that was in Steve's investigation was John Marsh, which obviously obviously Marsh Creek was named for him or his family.

Megan

John marsh.

Amy

Mm-hmm. Yes.

Megan

Him. He had a really tragic life and I didn't get from the the history.

Amy

Yeah.

Megan

That, I mean, he really did anything that bad.

AP

No, no, he no.

Megan

He wasn't like a bad guy. He was like, hey, you're 10. I'm gonna marry.

AP

You like? So he was. In 70, he was born in 1799 in.

Amy

Right.

Megan

Which I loved because it's so easy to calculate his age, yeah.

AP

Maryland. Maryland or Massachusetts, I don't remember.

Amy

Which one? I wrote down Massachusetts.

Megan

I think it was Maryland.

Amy

Damn it, I wrote it down.

AP

1. Did write MA OK?

Amy

I wrote MAS and.

AP

I wrote MA and then I questioned myself if I misheard, but.

Amy

Is it MA Maine?

AP

No ME is 9.

Megan

No. Yeah MD is Maryland, M is Massachusetts.

Amy

Oh, you're right.

AP

Yes, and and so I had it right. But he makes it 2 Fort, Snelling, MN, Minnesota represent. He becomes a what's at the time called an Indian agent. Gross. But he was a liaison. He was a communication liaison between. So, like, if you watched the show, Bart or Bass Reeves? No woman. So Bass Reeves was a slave who became a Texas Ranger, but he was brought in originally because he could, because he could.

Megan

Please turning.

AP

Leak. So he was a real person, but they the show obviously characterizes a little bit more, but he could speak several different native tongues. And so they brought him in to help in both what was Indian territory at the time. And so I would assume that John Marsh was in this category of being a communication.

Speaker

MHM.

AP

Liaison between whichever tribes of the area which would have been like Lakota or most likely Lakota, but or ajiba way.

Megan

Oh yes.

AP

And so he communicated between the federal government and the tribes for different things. And he falls in love with a woman, a native woman named Marguerite. And they have a child named.

Speaker

Yep.

Megan

Charles, which I'm going to go on on a limb and say that wasn't her. Her given name. I'm guessing she got that. From missionaries or something?

AP

Yeah, who knows?

Megan

They're Charles Child named Charles.

AP

Yes. 'S son named Charles. But he gets in trouble with the government for inciting the Black Hawk War, which I don't know what.

Megan

Yeah. Remember that.

Amy

That is, I didn't look that up either.

Megan

I think I don't think he. And I think they suspected he incited it.

Amy

It said he helped and the way I have it written is he gets accused of helping to incite the Black Hawk War. And this is John by. The way not sorry.

Megan

Oh, see, I took that as big. They're just trying to to tax something on to him.

Amy

Or maybe he did. Accused of it, yeah.

AP

I'm gonna. I would assume that he didn't follow what they always wanted because he lived with these people and so he.

Megan

Right. Married somebody from them, from their tribe.

AP

They were I I think they were common law. I don't know if.

Amy

They were married or not. Yeah, they did say common law, they probably.

AP

But that could.

Amy

Weren't. Allowed to get married. Ohh yeah. Well, because.

AP

Be come. Yeah, common law could be a white term versus what may have been a marriage in culture. But.

Megan

In yes, in her tribe. So I'm sure they were married in her tribe. But, you know, we don't recognize that.

AP

But either way could be. And then he so something happens. I'm guessing that he took the side of. People he lives with, so he takes his family and takes her 300 miles away. But we don't know what is like. There's a lot of stuff within 300 miles of here like.

Megan

Yes, yes. And they were like, how dare you?

AP

We don't know where they end up.

Megan

Because Fort Snelling isn't that like in Saint Paul, it's yes.

AP

Saint Paul, yeah. It's. Yeah. It's just it's along the Mississippi.

Megan

It could have been N SE W they don't see a direction. They just said he.

AP

Yeah, it could have been to Canadas, the Dakotas, Iowa, Johnson.

Amy

Was. Cooker was with a friend or something? Mm-hmm.

AP

Yep, so brought her out to a friend. She is pregnant. She can't live without him. So she takes her son, which we don't know how old Charles is. At this time and walks back to him, the 300 miles and she she dies in his arms. They say that the walk killed her, but there probably was something else that went on with that. Plus she was pregnant.

Megan

300 miles. And they say the baby and the OR the child and her died in her arms in his arms.

Speaker

So she.

AP

I thought I thought at first they. Meant that died.

Megan

I got Charles. Yeah, but then I.

AP

Until later on, when they say that Charles was out in California because I don't, I didn't think that they made it really clear. They said the child dies.

Megan

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I'm wondering if this three. Right. And I'm wondering if the 300 mile walk center into premature labor, so which is probably what happened.

Speaker

So.

Amy

I'm I'm assuming she. Because remember that when one of the guys sees a preemie baby. Yeah, I think that she had that baby. Probably just when she got there or just on her way and the baby died. And yeah, she couldn't handle it. Later on, I'm sure.

AP

Premature baby was in a different episode.

Amy

There was one last the last episode about maybe two ago, but no, there was something about this one.

Megan

Too, but I don't think he saw the premature baby the way he did in that episode about. Yeah, he talked about it.

Amy

No, Amy talked. No, no, it was Amy.

AP

Yeah, there was the one of the other ones. There was a guy who saw a ghost thing. That was a poodle.

Amy

Yes, yeah, yeah. That was the one with Frank and Franco and. All that. Yep, Yep.

AP

But yeah, so back to John. He comes out to California, California in 18.

Megan

So counselor berries is wife Marguerite and the baby. And then he moves to California.

AP

Yep. In 1837 with Charles, he practices medicine. He saves $500, which, by the way, $500. Well, at this point, they don't give a **** because they just figured he probably died on the trail W.

Megan

Because he's on the run from the government. That's fairpoint. Yeah.

AP

But he saves $500 to buy 13,000 acres, which includes the property, $500 in 1837. How much is it today? I found this so.

Megan

I'm gonna guess. $116,000. I have a feeling she's waiting for.

Amy

You, Amy. Ohh, I don't know.

AP

It's actually only $16,063.39.

Megan

I was only 100,000 off. That's it.

AP

Yep, you did great.

Megan

If this was the price was right, I would have lost.

AP

That's it. Yep. But buys 13,000 acres. He gets married to a woman in 1852 named Abigail Tuck. So he's 53 at this point. She was about 34 or so 33. They have a daughter, Alice, in in 1853. But in 1855, Abby dies from tuberculosis.

Megan

Consume. Soon.

AP

He goes, he travels to San Francisco via buggy. He gets met by three Mexican Cowboys.

Megan

Everyone's favorite. Who worked to his farm that he bought?

AP

Who worked on this farm that they accused him of not paying them? They obviously do something enough to get his horses to take off and toss the buggy, and then one of them, Philippe Moreno, comes and slits his throat. Charles spends the next decade of his life hunting down his father's murderers.

Megan

MHM.

AP

To bring them to. Court. Not to kill them. He brings them to court. Which of the time is very different?

Amy

Hmm.

Megan

Rare, yeah. Usually they give the old cowboy justice. I don't know. I just made.

AP

That term up, but yeah, it's vigilante justice. Yep, it's it. It it was common because if.

Megan

Thank you. I knew there was a word before justice. Mm-hmm. And like, what are they going to do at at this point? I, at this point in time, I feel like unless somebody literally watched you murder them, how are they going to convict you? Exactly. It's like the John Mulaney skit where it's like you could rob a bank and say the the brothers were here, and they had enough. They couldn't convict you because they. Had no evidence. But yeah. So he could have gotten away with it. Good for Charles. Good for Charles. Yep.

AP

It was a lot of. He said you said Yep. Yeah, but that's why, like. What do we get to the reveal? And Amy's talking through like we even talk about anything Amy sees. But she gets a lot of PK PK energy that somebody has the. Wants to stop it, but somebody else wants to keep. It going like.

Megan

Which we again never talk about.

AP

No, because it seems like she's like, is it the same person she get? Amy actually gets confused in this episode. With the energies, because she just talks, there's so much energy going on here. There's a lot of energies.

Megan

Well, that's cause there's two people with abilities creating all these vortices.

AP

At least two people with the abilities creating the vortices and that's why it's like they tried to connect. I think the 30 year old couple to Abby or Marguerite, yeah.

Megan

John and Abby, I would assume more about your. I would put it with Marguerite, but then because they were closer in age when that happened, but then she said she sees a separate woman in her 30s who talked about her premature baby. So that made me think that that was Marguerite and not Marguerite tied to the man. If that made sense, if you could follow.

Amy

I MHM. That I, I think Marguerite was the one that said. Help me. Yeah asked me.

Megan

Help. Trust me.

Amy

Her and her head hurt and she said something about it. Please me baby.

AP

But that was. That was the woman and the couple. Yeah, because yeah, it was the. It was the woman and the couple that said Megan was saying.

Amy

What? What in? Cup.

Megan

I thought that was a separate one.

AP

There was. A second woman, but no. It was the woman and the couple because she said the the reason he's so stiff is he is he's suffering from PTSD.

Amy

It's PTSD and I'm like they didn't have PTSD back then. I mean, they did. But they didn't.

Megan

They did, but they didn't call it that. No.

Amy

Call it back, right? Right.

AP

And and her. Her head was all messed up, but it was.

Amy

Something about she thought she'd been in a fire, but then she there's.

Megan

A fire cause her face looked burned. Yeah.

Amy

No.

Megan

But maybe her face was frostbite frostbitten, but if my she Marguerite went 300 miles in ******* December and you know through Wisconsin. Nice.

AP

Right. But my connection to that then too or my question. To that is. Marguerite was in Minnesota and buried in Minnesota.

Megan

Right. Because she came back to Minnesota.

AP

Right. He's in California and all of this is in California.

Megan

Right. But remember how Amy says when people die, they can go anywhere. So maybe his heart was with Marguerite. I'm just trying to give up. I.

Speaker

Great.

AP

I don't know. I just felt like there was a. Lot of stretches to right. Yeah, yeah.

Megan

I do. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying that that could be a connection, but it was weak. It was weak.

AP

Yeah, I did.

Amy

I mean, it's possible that Abigail also had a a baby. That didn't make it and they just didn't bring that up. I mean, I didn't look into the history, so.

Megan

Could be. It could be we.

AP

I mean.

Megan

We know from talking to many clients that there's a lot of stuff they don't. And most recently, that they skewed things, yes, so.

AP

Who knows? Well and again, I think it was I. I feel that this was more a connection of convenience because we talked about John and Abigail. But Amy talks about all these vortices and this man, this skeleton dude that was a was a living person at one point in time, but they all seem with like an Amish hat. They all just like said, some form of Amish hat. Maybe he just liked the style. It could be, but he's a really bad dude with a lot of bad energy and he wants to like.

Megan

Mm-hmm. Lot of heat.

AP

Like he wants to collect the bones. They associate it with the.

Megan

The very the that's there, yeah.

AP

Advent burial grounds.

Megan

And to me, when she said he wants to click the bones, my line of thinking and maybe this is totally wrong, is that because he so he's connected to the to the burial ground, he wants to get the bones back where they belong. That's kind of what I and Jessica does.

Amy

That's what I. That's what I thought. Yeah. See, I.

Megan

He's not trying to collect new bone.

Amy

While he is, though, he does want.

Speaker

Is.

Amy

Others, yes, just want Heathers, both as revenge for the white people taking his people's bow.

AP

I got it. I got it a little. Bit of this is my property. And you took my stuff. So since you took my stuff, I'm gonna take your stuff. Yeah, not so much that it was that it was an ancient burial ground. But this thing was like, this is mine not. That just because it was tied to the ancient burial ground piece of it, because I got really confused because Amy kept talking about the. Human bone, scattered men on knees, hunched over, naked and hairless, pounding on the ground. Who the **** are these people? I don't.

Megan

Know I I got that when she said that it made me think that they were part of the original. Tribe people, the no. Well, yeah. Yeah, the marsh people.

Amy

The marsh.

AP

But they but they were. They were over the bones.

Megan

And again I got it that to mean that they were doing a burial at that time and she was seeing like an active burial taking place.

Amy

Not when they were pulling them up, no.

AP

Yeah.

Megan

That's that's what I thought she was seeing as ceremony of somebody who had passed away. And this is what their their ceremony was.

AP

Yeah, I guess it. It throws me off when she's saying they're on their knees, hunched on the ground, naked, hairless and pounding on the ground.

Megan

Maybe that was their culture.

Amy

Yeah, could be I could assume they were the old timey guys and I did assume it was some type of.

Megan

Mean. Don't.

Amy

Of.

Megan

Like ritual or or ceremony. Yeah, I I wasn't thinking. It was actually a burial. But yeah, it could have been. See, I thought it was maybe a burial, but maybe you're right. It was just a ceremony or something.

AP

Yeah.

Megan

But again, that was kind of reaching.

AP

Yep, all we know is that the tall skeleton dude has glowing eyes, has bad bad energy, bad feelings that Amy gets. He's really bad, he hates people and wants their bones.

Speaker

I.

Megan

And Amish dad. Hate. And she's really, like, emphasizing hate. She's like, when I say hate, I mean, like, visceral hate. So.

Speaker

Hmm.

Megan

That's kind of what I thought he was there to get the bones back of his people because they had been disturbed, scattered or just.

Amy

Well, he I think Amy did say that she assumed that it was some kind of revenge because of the burial being done.

Megan

And I did notice when she said, you know, you're on a Barrow ground, Heather and John immediately were like, Oh my God, no.

AP

Yeah. Ohh that was.

Amy

Yeah, I know what you're going to say.

AP

Because Jonathan looks at Heather and goes, you called it and then he said, she said if it's a if, it's an ancient burial ground. We're out of here. That's what they're not. As of two months ago, they're not.

Megan

They're not what? And that's what my. That's where I really turned on them because. All of a sudden you go from like Oh my God, we can't desecrate the, you know, we've got to leave. We have to honor them too. I'm gonna fight this guy. You don't scare me. You can't. After my children, in which case I didn't really. I mean, other than him grabbing Jonathan. Bailey, I didn't really get much about him going after the kids, but again, maybe that was edited.

AP

Yeah, I that I had the same question because I was like, OK, but they seem like it seems like it's coming after you more than it's coming after your kids. But yeah, there was a little bit of that, yeah.

Megan

And we're gonna fight. And and like.

AP

I want to see him. I'm gonna fight him. Ohh, yeah. You're you're going down wrong house. Wrong house. Wrong ******. ******* house. I ain't scared of him. He's going. He just ****** me off, that's all he did touch my kids. Geez.

Megan

How did you go? Right. Wrong.

AP

I knew he wanted me dead. He touched my kids. I may be small, but you touch my kids. It's all. It's a whole nother ball game. It's it doesn't. Doesn't she already know this? Like, doesn't she already know all this shit's going on.

Megan

Yeah, she, that's where I lost her. That's where I lost her. Because this whole time, even before that, Jonathan was like, it's just a house.

Amy

Does know her being messed with? Yeah, yeah.

Megan

You know, we can make a home somewhere else and it's just that's the thing. It's just a building, and that's where Steve said, you can make a home anywhere and then all of a sudden, they're like, we're gonna move. But we haven't yet. And then AP just said, well, they're still there as of two months ago. This aired in January of 2021, which means that they were there sometime in 20.

AP

I have that in here too. It's just a building. According. 20/20/23. You said in 2020.

Megan

Yeah. Which means the crew was there sometime in 2020. So in the in the reveal, they're like we're going to move soon within a year. So that was you're 2 1/2 years ago now and you're still there.

AP

1. Yeah. Yeah. So. Well, and then we we don't hear about anything else that Amy suggests in the in the revealed.

Megan

Probably because she, you know, maybe because she's like, honestly, you just need to leave. There's nothing I can tell you to do.

Amy

Umm well and. And if you're looking at the two things that were the the major issues that they had, one of them was them. And she did tell them they had to go to counseling and they had to learn what was it. Tai Chi and taipan.

AP

Tai Chi or Chi Chi or.

Megan

Or some other kind of exercise like exercise.

AP

Dragon. Yep, so health tip energetic exercises to help control and control release and manage PK abilities. Yep.

Amy

So maybe they thought, well, I guess we're the problem. So why don't we just work on that and then we can?

Megan

So.

Amy

Stay. Yep. So that's the.

Megan

Hi I'm loving it but it didn't work because it's not all you.

Speaker

Well.

Amy

And and also as as a peep found. What Michaela, if that's her said on YouTube, I'll let you. Say that.

AP

Yeah. So I found on YouTube just the the part of the reveal because they won't play the full episodes. But if you look in there, you can find some comments. I'm not going to say the.

Megan

I believe it's copyright.

AP

Handle. That she uses people can find that themselves, but she says this is my house and my parents and my brother Amy and Steve helped us a lot. Crazy to.

Megan

Mm-hmm.

AP

See my family. On YouTube and then someone asked about her and she said hi. We are currently living here. Things went down. A lot, but we still have days where it gets a lot more activity than usual. Not too much aggression anymore. We've gotten tools that allow us to communicate with the spirits here and learn to coexist.

Megan

I don't know if I like that.

Amy

Usually a good idea to.

Megan

Do that, especially if you're not trained. Yeah, because what are the tools? Maybe they're trained, but what other tools are they communicating with a ******* Ouija board, in which case you're stupid.

Amy

Then.

AP

And then she she.

Amy

Replied. Maybe they're trained.

AP

Yep. So here's some more comments that she had where somebody was asking where this one was located. She said yes, it's Discovery Bay. This is my family and. We're still in the. Same house somebody says, oh, is your house haunted? And she says yes, it is not as much activity as it was way back then. But we still get stuff moved knocks. And my stepmom can see spirits here and there. :).

Amy

And then his other knocking and ****. And that's her, that's.

Megan

Her. That's Heather. That's PK. Yeah, yeah.

AP

The PK? Yep. Which again, she says stepmom here. But then other times, she says mom, another one. She says, Oh yeah. And then somebody, somebody says that they're paranormal investigator and they'd love to come and investigate.

Amy

OK.

Megan

Muslim fighting. Hmm. Don't do that.

AP

Yeah. And then somebody else was like. Oh, Amy always tells people to to move. She must have friends that are Realtors and give people their numbers. And then she says hi. I'm Michaela, the daughter in the video and episode. I can assure you it's not fake. We still live in the same house. And we've learned to coexist with the spirits who come and go. But you don't have to believe if you don't want to. And then there's another one where people are like, oh, she's like the the woman and the blonde woman in this. I can't believe her. She's acting. I will say I got strong feelings of, like, she was told to or that she. Was overdoing it at different points. It just. I put in my notes and like she feels genuine, but over the top at the same time. Where?

Amy

Yeah.

AP

It's up at. Two, almost like it was ohh that was good. But let's do it a little bit, a little more visceral this time, you know.

Megan

I did too.

AP

That kind of. Thing and the comments that we're going to this. Michaela then says that's my mom. Haha. She's embarrassed of how angry she got on camera. She's seen the show and didn't even like herself on there. Can guarantee it's not acting though we still live here and still have activity, just not as aggressive and harmful as it used to be. And these are all posted two months ago from when I was looking this up on Saturday.

Megan

OK.

AP

I did find they had a post in April of 2021 in the Dead Files group that we're a part of.

Megan

Really.

AP

Yeah, that just said like.

Megan

OK.

AP

Please don't judge us based on our episode.

Megan

I think like I said, I was on board all the way to the end when she started fighting him. And I'm like Heather.

Amy

I can. I can see how she'd react that way. I I where where I was not.

Megan

Umm.

Amy

I'm bored anymore was to find out that they didn't. They're like, oh, we might move in the next. Year. Or so I mean that's why like this is so desperate. And yet you haven't even started to.

Megan

Yes.

AP

Move. That's why I had to go and look and like I understand that's it's it's not an easy process. But then we also they don't acknowledge any of the other stuff. Like we found a psychotherapist. Our family to talk through or I started Tai Chi or any of these things. Maybe they've done that since then. It sounds a little bit like they. Found some different tools and I'll say tools that are more in the metaphoric region rather than physical or or like the Ouija board aspect, but more so like the the Tai Chi or the, you know, being open to talk about the different things. So it sounds like some of that went through, but yeah, I.

Amy

They've done something, yeah.

Megan

Yeah, it's not like a hammer and.

Amy

Probably wouldn't do anything. Oh yeah.

AP

They had a feeling that they weren't going to be moving. That's why I was like, I have to dig into this and find out.

Megan

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

AP

If we can find anything more.

Megan

Well, that was good information to.

Amy

Yeah.

Megan

I mean overall this, I thought this was a really good episode. Yeah, I really liked the family. I did. I thought that they were genuine. Unlike Britney, I had to bring her up. You guys, I had to bring her up. We're almost done. The standard.

AP

Yep.

Speaker

MHM.

Amy

Which comes back to Brittany. She only knew.

Megan

She we're all. We almost are finished recording and nobody talked about her. How I couldn't let it slide.

Amy

Gotta bring her up.

Megan

Yeah, but yeah, it was a good episode. I I do recommend watching it. Yeah, it was good. It wasn't as scary as Amy made it out to.

Amy

That's good one.

AP

Believe now there's a different one that I was thinking of.

Megan

1. Because I was like, I gotta watch this during the day. Time.

Amy

Yeah.

Megan

Cause Amy said it was scary.

Amy

Are you thinking AP? Are you thinking of the one where the sketch was the like the? The demon kind of thing with the bag slung over his shoulder like Santa.

AP

I think so.

Speaker

Ohh.

AP

Yeah. Krampus.

Amy

Yeah, it looks like that we did that one we already did.

Megan

Ohh, Krampus. OK, because I don't have to watch.

Amy

That one, Megan, no. It. Did.

AP

That one Amy and I are going to specifically find some scary ones and not tell you. Yeah.

Megan

You guys are just so mean to. Me. It's OK. Just toughening you up.

Amy

We're trying to desensitize you. Yeah, just like the spider thing.

Megan

You guys, I'm 39. There's it's not going to happen at this point with the fear. My imagination is too wild.

AP

I like how you went. Amy went with a nice way of we're trying to desensitize you.

Megan

My imagination. **** you up, you guys. It literally up until, like, four years ago. I thought that the Blair Witch was a.

AP

Sucking up vodka.

Megan

Real movie so.

AP

Was it four years ago? So.

Megan

You know what, Amy? It was OK.

Amy

It was four months. Ohh boy. So APU picked the. Yeah, next one that we're doing. Do you want to tell us what? Which one it. Is and why?

AP

Yeah. Well, next week we will be covering Paradise Lost. Which is in.

Megan

A.

Amy

Terrible documentary. No, it's really good. And it's a terrible story.

Megan

Good, but it's a terrible story.

AP

Sorry, sorry. So fat one word. If you really wanted to realize people send us just a sentence sentence that starts off with something and see how we.

Megan

Finish it. See. Ohh, that's a great idea.

Amy

Well, we should have people just give us a name, a word or something. Yeah. And we just all riff. On. It we could.

AP

Do that. I think I I think it.

Megan

Ohh, the activity continues rift tracks.

AP

Just said that.

Megan

You need to be stoned. Just kidding. No, you don't. Anyways, I'm just good. Sorry and just start over again.

AP

All right. So it's in Hawaii, yeah. We're we're going to be seeing season six, Episode 13 Paradise Lost, which is in Hawaii and I don't know the correct pronunciation of the town waipahu. I will work on that.

Amy

My father, maybe. Yeah. I don't know.

Megan

If you're from Hawaii, please tell us.

Amy

It's spelled WAIPAHU.

AP

So really shows it because it's the only one that's in Hawaii, and since we're doing the spring break series, we gotta do Hawaii. Also, I would love the number 13 and so this episode pulls into #13.

Megan

Sweet. What episode number is it seasoning up season 6?

AP

Episode 13. Right. For for the second time.

Megan

Did you say it already? Yeah. Ohh, *** **** it. I didn't. I didn't hear it.

AP

It's OK like the one behind her on the wall.

Amy

Just too busy worrying about spiders.

Megan

And paradise loss. You shut your mouth.

Amy

Megan, I didn't want to say anything, but it's.

Megan

******* big. I can see behind me. You guys like, do you know that? It's not there.

Speaker

1. Anyways.

AP

Yeah. So looking forward to watching that one and discussing with you all next.

Megan

Week. Yeah, I'm looking. Yeah. Thanks, everybody. I'm looking forward to getting new podcast friends who are nice to me.

AP

Thanks everyone for joining us.

Amy

Thank you.

AP

Good luck with that. She's taking applications. Everyone. Yeah.

Megan

Thanks. Yeah, alright. Thanks everyone. We'll talk to you next week. Bye.

AP

OK.

Amy

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Megan

Nailed it.