Amy Allan VO: Old lady does weird [shit] here.

 

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Amy [VO] Hi Ghosty Fam! Amy here. Welcome to The Activity Continues a podcast for three soul friends talk about all things paranormal, ghosts, hauntings, psychics, movies and TV shows. Especially The Dead Files and other spooky and spooky adjacent things.

 

We also like to interview people in the paranormal community as well as past “Dead Files” clients and other interesting people.

 

Sometimes we even tell your stories. I hope you enjoy the show.

 

Amy: so I think we're ready to start. We're ready to jump right in.

 

Megan: Let's jump right in. An hour later.

 

Amy: Okay.

 

Amy: I'll do the countdown

 

Amy: good.

 

Amy: I didn't.

 

Megan: But okay.

 

Megan: oh, yeah. Here we go.

 

Amy: 5, 4, 3, 2, one.

 

AP: Hello!

 

Megan: Hello!

 

Amy: Hello! Thanks for joining us again.

 

We are on the second episode in our Chilly Chats series, where we each choose a Dead Files episode that takes place in a colder weather location to help get our minds off the heat of summer.

 

This week's choice is called “Dark Inheritance”. It is from season 3, and according to Max, it's Number 14, which was the season finale.

 

Then AP Reports that it is Number 13 on the Travel Channel, on the on demand, and then I went to Hulu, which I suspected was the same as Travel on demand, and it is also Number 13 there and then on Hulu, they go all the way up to 18 episodes that season and they are missing the Q & A episode. So it is all just a big cluster fuck.

 

AP: Correct.

 

Megan: That tracks. Yeah,.

 

Amy: yeah, so Megan chose this one for this week's Chili chat, so we will let her tell you why she chose it, and anything else we might need to warn you about.

 

Megan: Hi! Everybody thanks for joining us again. So I chose this simply for the fact that it takes place in Massachusetts, and I love the accent from the East Coast and Massachusetts and Jersey and New York, and all those really cool accents that I don't have, cause I'm from Minnesota, and we talk like this. Aaw for cute.

 

Amy: Oh, yeah.

 

Megan: So that's why I chose it. It actually ended up being a really really good episode.

 

AP: Who?

 

Megan: But I did not know that going in. I was just like, Oh, my God! They talk so cool!

 

That's what it was.

 

Content warnings. We've got a botched abortion causing death, dismemberment. Horrible! Mother! And I also added, talk of child abuse, talk of suicide, and as always, please check the show notes before listening. If you are worried about specific things, we do this content warning at the top of the episode. So you know, there might be things that we talk about further in the episode that aren't in this content warning and Amy will add those into the show notes. So please make sure to check those if you have any concerns.

 

Amy: Yeah. Alright Housekeeping.

 

Megan: Housekeeping! My Chili recipe I put I grabbed from allrecipes.com, cause I love their website. I've done a lot of recipes from allrecipes.com, and they're all really good, and it's called The Best Damn Chili. So with a title like that I don't know how you cannot.

 

Amy: It's gotta be good.

 

Megan: It's gotta be good

 

We've had this chat and or discussion in our chat. I am strongly anti-bean in my in my Chili and as most things AP and I but heads on.

 

AP: And strongly beans in my chili.

 

Amy: I am more beans than meat.

 

Megan: she is all the beans.

 

Amy: I’ll have more beans than meat I had I could do it vegetarian Chili, as long as it has beans in it.

 

AP: I'll bring a vegetarian Chili recipe for next week. That can also be edited for others. But yeah, I.

 

 

Megan: I'll give all my beans to the Amys.

 

Amy: Do you, do you, Megan? Do you not like beans at all, or do you just like.

 

Megan: I don't like beans at all.

 

Amy: Okay.

 

Megan: I don't like them at all. I'm trying to like them more because they're super high in protein.

 

Amy: And fiber.

 

Megan: And and fiber, and they're really good for you. But I just but like baked beans gross me out.

 

AP: Oh, We have a delicious recipe for baked beans that my mom just made yesterday adds, it's a Famous Dave's recipe, actually.

 

Amy: Oh!

 

AP: Adds a grilled steak, sausage, bacon, jalapenos, other peppers, onions, and barbecue sauce.

 

It is So good

 

Megan: Gordon Ramsay himself could serve me baked beans, and I would say, Gordon, I'm sorry, but it's a no.

 

Amy: Oh, I like them. I don't like them when they're too sweet. I don't like the canned baked beans that are super sweet.

 

Megan: It’s such a weird texture like

 

Amy: See, I don't think I have a texture issue with food.

 

Megan: I for sure do.

 

Amy: I rarely don't like something because of texture. The only reason I say rarely is because I can't. I've tried four different ways of preparation…octopus, and I can't do it because it tastes like I'm chewing on hard rubber bands.

 

Megan: Yep. Cause. It's gross.

 

Amy: And it's but the the one time I had it the one time I had it where I kind of liked it. It was in a really good sauce, so I liked that, and it was grilled. It was at a Korean BBQ.

 

Megan: Maybe we should have Gordon Ramsey make you octopus and see if you'd like it then.

 

Amy: Yeah, well, we'll see. I mean I will try it.

 

Megan: Gordan Ramsey is making me baked beans, that I will refuse to eat.

 

And Now he's making Amy Octopus that she will eat. AP, what would you like, Gordon Ramsey to cook for you?

 

AP: Can I get the Beef Wellington, please?

 

Megan: That's a good one.

 

Amy: I’d rather have that than octopus.

 

Megan: No. it’s not up for debate.

 

Amy: Oh.

 

AP: Okay, we should probably move on before we get into food chat, which is a whole other problem.

 

Amy: God. AP and I went nuts on that last week.

 

Megan: What?

 

Amy: One more thing about the show show-related.

 

I have gone back and made some tweaks to some of our more recent episodes to include chapter markers.

 

So people can jump around and like, if they don't want to listen to the rest of the conversation of that like AP And I talked, for it felt like forever. It was like 6 min when I actually got done with it. I'm like what someone can't sit around for 6 min about color coding and document.

 

Megan: Oh, my God! That is the most You Two Conversation I’ve ever heard in my life.

 

Amy: Oh, my God! Wait til you hear it! I can. I can put it up for you.

 

Megan: Send it to me.

 

Amy: So yeah, actually, it's on Patreon now. So you can hear it.

 

Megan: Okay.

 

Amy: But yeah, it we and I and AP even said, “Oh, my God, people are going! This is the most boring, fucking conversation I've ever heard”, and I said, but you know what there are people out there that are going. “Oh, my God! Me too! I like that, too!” so I did leave most of it in.

 

Megan: That's the thing to leave most Amy and AP Conversation.

 

Amy: I know.

 

Megan: If ever there was one.

 

Amy: We nerded out about colored markers and lip balm and.

 

AP: Lip balm for sure.

 

Megan: I did hear the lip balm one.

 

Amy: Yeah, it was. It was fun. So anyway, I put chapter markers in. So if anybody is listening to us, and you don't like, if you're not doing it on like a you know, Janet.

 

I left her plugged in, so I have. I can't say her real name, but you know.

 

Megan: A-L-E-X-A

 

Amy: yeah, hopefully she doesn't learn how to spell.

 

Megan: Dammit Janet

 

Amy: But If you're listening on a speaker like that, you can't obviously do that. I don't… Maybe you could say, and it would go to the next one. I don't know but.

 

Megan: Cause. I don't have one, and her headphones are plugged in. I mean I I have 2, but they're not down here, so.

 

Amy: Okay, yeah, it's like.

 

Megan: It’s Alexa.

 

AP: Do you call her Janet because of.

 

Megan: Rocky Horror Picture Show.

 

Amy: Nope.

 

AP: No! What was the show on.

 

Amy: The Good Place.

 

AP: Yes, that one.

 

Amy: The Good Place.

 

AP: I knew exactly. I was like Janet.

 

Amy: Whenever they say Janet, she’d pop up!

 

Megan: I thought it was from Rocky Horror?

 

Amy: No, that's not why I called her that. I called it from The Good Place, ‘cause The Good Place that was that their AI.

 

AP: Yep.

 

Amy: Was her name was Janet. She was a real person. Digby needs to go potty, of course.

 

Megan: I started something.

 

Amy: Gonna have to. Someone else is gonna have to take you.

 

Megan: [whispers] Greg

 

Amy: But guess what? There's not anyone else, because Greg's in a meeting right now.

 

Megan: Rude.

 

Amy: It's not my fault you wouldn't go out because it was raining. It's really not, not my fault.

 

Okay. Well, I'm gonna…I'm going to try and let it go. We'll see if he really starts reacting. I'll just have to go. And you guys can keep going.

 

Okay? So Megan is going to lead this one because it is Megan's choice, and so shall we do the overview?

 

Megan: Megan's gonna lead this and.

 

Amy: You know what I will take him out while you do the. Because I don't have to hear that part, and I will. I read it already so.

 

Megan: Okay. Okay.

 

Amy: Take it away.

 

Megan: 1-2-3 go. OK. Overview:

 

Cynthia and her husband Nicholas bought Cynthia's childhood home. She had experiences as a child, but it's nothing compared to what is happening now. They've had noises tapping, banging, they've seen shadow figures, etc. But all of that pales in comparison to what her son Nathaniel is going through being on the spectrum. Cynthia is very concerned about what is happening to him.

 

He's been scratched deeply, and his whole personality has changed from a bubbly outgoing kid to a quiet and reserved individual who doesn't ever want to leave home. Cynthia and Nicholas fear what else their son will have to endure.

 

Diggin’ tru’ old records. Steve uncovers a gruesome case from 1905,

with all the taboos from the early 20th century, a woman on her own, without a husband who gets pregnant out of wedlock, a boxed abortion, a botched abortion, and gruesome remains.

 

Will Cynthia and Nicholas be able to save Cynthia's childhood home from the spirits that torment her family?

 

Will they be able to reclaim the property and live a life without fear or will the activity continue?

 

This was a really good episode.

 

AP: It was, and I messaged Amy during it like, I feel like as we'll get into that. This was a mommy dearest episode.

 

Megan: Yeah. Oh, I felt so bad for Cynthia as we learned more and more about her childhood and just what they what she said in the reveal, what Amy said in the reveal, and what she feel about the the... It was bad I felt so bad for them.

 

AP: Yeah, I can't wait for Amy to get back in here. I mean, I know she's she gotta get her pup out.

 

Megan: Yeah, Digby had to go potty.

 

AP: Yeah, no.  This was definitely an interesting one.

 

Megan: Hmm.

 

AP: And just even watching some of the way that they talked about different things, too. And I kind of related a little bit of the son to my aunt who has passed away. She was a.

 

Megan:  I saw that.

 

AP: She was. I think she nearly died 3 times before she was 5. She was a blue baby.

 

Megan: Oh, you told me about her when we were on the way to, And That's Why We Drink.

 

AP: And she yep. So she definitely had some…

 

Megan: Okay, stop talking about her.  just kidding.

 

We can't hear you. You're muted.

 

Amy: That is what I call an Austin Powers Pee. He was peeing that entire time.

 

Megan: Holy crap! Yeah.

 

AP: Yep, Bodie, does that too.

 

Amy: Yep. It was raining today, so he didn't want to get his princess toes wet so he wouldn't go outside. And so.

 

Megan: Speaking of bougie.

 

Amy: He has to go.

Yeah. And then he gave me enough time to go get a beer.

 

AP: Thanks. Item.

 

Megan: Get a be-ah.

 

Amy: A be-ah. And my friends that came over this weekend said. I asked what kind of beer he wanted, and I was actually asking his girlfriend, and she said, “Oh, he says, whatever Magnum PI would drink in the shower.”

 

So so we got premium. We were gonna get Hamms, but apparently don't have Hamms at Liquor Depot

 

Megan: That's really funny.

 

AP: No, otherwise the champagne of beers would have been the other one to go with.

 

Megan: Was that Richard by chance?

 

Amy: Yes, it was Richard. Yeah.

 

Megan: Okay? So we did the overview.

Alright. So the 1st thing I want to talk about is Amy's arrival.

And I think we all wanna talk about that because even getting into, I mean, I've never before or since this episode seen her react as strongly as she was. I mean before. She's been like I feel sick.

 

My head hurts, you know. But she was sobbing, pulling up to this.

 

Amy: Yeah,

 

Megan: She wasn't even on the property yet.

 

Amy: Right.

 

Megan: And.

 

Amy: Are, and she was like, Oh, my God.

 

Megan: Crying.

 

Amy: So sick.

 

Megan: Yeah.

 

Amy: Yeah, I was tearing up. It was hard, really hard to watch being an empath. I was like, No, Amy, yeah.

 

AP: I.

 

Amy: Sad.

 

AP: I just said, I am glad that I don't have these kinds of abilities like there are days where you're just like oh, it'd be so cool to have some of these ways to talk with my guides and those kinds of things. I'm

I'm okay.

 

Megan: Hmm.

 

AP: I don't need this kind of I don't want it. No, thank you.

 

Amy: Look what it’ has done to her, I mean.

 

Megan: Yeah.

so yeah, I just thought that was. And she's that way, like, through the whole episode. I mean, it's not like she gets there. And she's like, Okay, I'm fine now, like there's a part. It kind of midway through where she I mean, she can't even talk. She's crying so hard. And Yeah.

 

I'm really.

 

Amy: Jaffa.

 

AP: Well, and.

 

Megan: It's really bad.

 

AP: And those, maybe, who haven't watched and are just listening to us like Amy talks about how, where she opens and everything, and it's like she's in the car before she's she's not even outside of the vehicle.

 

 

Megan: I think that They're still driving to. I think they're not even there yet.

 

Amy: Yeah, the car was moving.

 

Megan:  Yeah, and you know, she said, the dead know I'm coming before I do. And she said a lot of times they'll reach out. And so, you know, that's that's what happened. And.

 

Amy: They’re desperate to have their story told.

 

Megan: so then we, you know, Cynthia talks about how her son is called the mayor and Amy?

 

Amy: And oh yeah, I I have a funny story. Well, I don't know how funny it is. I think it's funny. And and it. It was I, just a long time ago, and we used to go to this bar called Chino Latino, which is not there anymore, and.

 

Megan: Which is a shame.

 

Amy: I know, it was a really fun place, and Greg and I used to go there a lot like at least once a week, and we knew the bartenders. We knew the regulars and all that.

 

Well. Greg was out of town, and my friend Anne came over, and we went to Chino Latino For happy hour you walk in, and all the people are there like, Hey me, hey? And I'm like, Hi! Hi! Say, Hi! Here's my friend and da da we sit down and she goes. “Jesus Christ! Do you know everybody? Are you running for Mayor?”

 

Amy: And I.

 

Megan: Clearly. She's never been out with you before, cause you do know everybody.

 

Amy: Well, I just thought it was. I'd never heard that like, yeah, as a as a way.

 

Megan: Yeah, like.

 

Amy: Describing someone who knows everyone. Are you running for Mayor so? And then she said that she they call her son a little mayor.

 

Megan: The little mayor.

 

Amy: I was like oh.

 

Megan: He was so outgoing. Yeah.

 

Amy: Oh, AP had a little something about.

 

AP: Yeah, well.

 

Amy: The son.

 

AP: Yeah, we get this all the time. Every time that there's a teenager, and they're starting to get moody. And they're starting to have personality changes, and they're not the, they're not my little boy anymore, or my little girl.

 

Just always that that edge of skepticism that does need to play in of. They are a teenager.

 

There's crap that's probably going on at school, and other stuff that can also be playing, not discounting what was going on, but know that that is going to play a factor and that's why these things will also attack at this kind of age, because they're defenseless. And you know, at at this point we don't. She tells us that he's on the autism spectrum, but we don't know.

 

Megan: Hmm.

 

AP: You know, verbal nonverbal, you know level, you know, level of, you know, interaction kind of thing.

 

Megan: And I noticed that, too. One, I mean he is in the show later on. But right now, like AP said, we, all they've said is, he's on the spectrum. One thing I noticed that was very interesting was that both Cynthia and her husband Nicholas mentioned having a Catholic priest come out and bless the house, which you know great to do. But yeah.

 

AP: Hmm.

 

Megan: That only works on like demons, and and it doesn't always work.

 

So doing. You know that the answer to everything isn't to have a priest come out and bless the house. That won't, I mean, if you want to do it. Great! I'm not saying you can't do it, but it most likely won't work, because most of the time you don't have literal demons.

 

Amy: Yeah, I think, didn't Amy Allan say at some point that you have to? If you're trying to get rid of an entity, you have to do something that is their belief. So if you have like, you know, if it's a native American that's doing that, you have to bring out somebody, a shaman, or somebody from their tribe, or whatever.

 

But and if you have a demon, you have to bring a Catholic priest.

 

Megan: Yeah.

 

AP: What the hell are we gonna do when they have atheists that are ghosts?

 

Megan: Mediums.

 

AP: They don't believe in anything.

 

 

Megan: I think at that point, though, you would be able to have a medium. Just move them along. Be like what's

 

Amy: if a atheist is a ghost, he has to at least believe in ghosts right?

 

Megan: But do you believe in gho.. I mean I don't know.

 

AP: But I don't know if… it's this is a conundrum.

 

Megan: This is a conundrum. But do you….mmmm

 

Amy: I was called myself an atheist, but I still believed in ghosts. Now I don't. I wouldn't say I'm an atheist. I would cause that's a little harsh. Little stronger than what I believe.

 

AP: Agnostic.

 

Amy: I would say agnostic. Yes, I think there's something there I just.

 

Megan: I think.

 

Amy: don’t think it's an old man that's sitting on a cloud, but I think it's something. I think it's more like a force. But but I I believe there's something out there.

 

Megan: Okay, but we're gonna get deep here. For like to me, when I think of believing in something, it's more of like a spiritual thing like a like a power to me, believing in ghosts isn't the same thing.

 

Am I wrong in that …?

 

Amy: Okay. So I'll tell you what Greg's like.

 

Megan: Like an atheist. If, like an atheist doesn't believe in a spirit, can they still, I feel I feel like they can still believe in ghosts. I don't feel like they're connected.

 

Amy: Well, the way the reason I struggled with it is. if if I don't believe that there is a higher power and I think when you're dead you're dead.

 

Your dirt just like you were before you were born. Then you can't believe in ghosts, and that that was always hard for me because I did believe in ghosts, because I'd seen them.

 

AP: Because matter can neither be created nor destroyed. So.

 

Megan: Throw that at Greg…Skeptic and.

 

AP: And that is, that is a in that's science like you can't just create something out of nothing it has to like, even though we'll say, like you made that out of nothing. Well, you still actually had to take parts of something and put them together. And then, same with you know that's where the whole ashes to ashes, dust to dust, aspect comes into play with all that.

 

Megan: So then how do. But if the Big Bang happened, isn't that making something out of nothing?

 

AP: No all matter at that point in time, is believed to have been kept in something the tiniest, tiniest, little like the size of a period of a 12-point font.

 

That's what all matter believed it or started in interesting. And then it's all matter came through there because even you know we're part stars at times, because of everything that's there with the Big Bang.

 

Megan: Interesting.

 

AP: You drink Dinosaur pee.

 

Megan: What I do every day.

 

Amy: I mean, that's kind of what this tastes like.

 

Megan: It’s pee beer so

 

AP: at some point, water went through something.

 

Megan: Yup!

 

AP: Premium is good, no. Don't diss my Grain Belt.

 

Amy: For a refreshing summer beer. It's not bad at all.

 

Megan: I’m not a huge beer drinker.

 

Amy: I'm not either. I'm not either. If I'm gonna drink.

 

Megan: I don't think I've ever seen you drink beer. In the almost 10 years I've known you.

 

Amy: I normally don't.

 

Megan: I don't. Honestly, I don't think I've ever.

 

Amy: I'd had a can of White Russian I would have grabbed that, but I don't.

 

AP: Yeah, you guys haven't had your Rebel.

 

Amy: Rebel. I know.

 

Megan: I was just thinking that. Oh, my gosh.

 

Amy: I still  have some of the fridge after I had the others, Coffee. hard coffee drinks. I didn't like Rebel anymore. Rebel tasted like candy.

 

Megan: To me.

 

Amy: And I like the other ones better. And no, they don't make them anymore.

 

Megan: Which ones were those, again?

 

Amy: The Cafe Agave, the one that you didn't like and you gave me. I liked those, and then there was.

 

Megan: They don't make those any more?

 

Amy: I can't find them.  I can't even find like I go search on the Internet. They don't exist.

 

Megan: Really?

 

Amy: yeah And then there was another one that I really liked, but I don't remember what it was called.

 

Megan: Really?

 

Amy: But it was really …No, I can't find any of them anymore.

 

Megan: That's sad.

 

Amy: find any hard coffees anymore.

 

Megan: Sad.

 

Amy: Whatever. Anyway, back to the task at hand.

 

Megan: Anyway, back to priests and Catholicism.

 

AP: Yeah. Back to…Can we talk about, why the hell did Cynthia buy this house?

 

Megan: Yes, we can. We can talk about whatever you want to.

 

Amy: She didn't like buy it, though she didn't.

 

AP: Yes, she did.

 

Megan: She did. She bought it after. Her mom died.

 

AP: Why her mom got so pissed off.

 

Amy: Okay, I see. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was gonna say, no. She got it from her mom. But I forgot that her mom.

 

Megan: Got it, one.

 

Amy: Yeah, she.

 

Megan: She said. When I bought the house she was very upset.

 

Amy: Yeah and I.

 

AP: And that one.

 

Amy: I thought she said “When I got the house” I wasn't thinking that she actually like went through the process.

 

AP: No.

 

Amy: Buying it just like anybody else would.

 

AP: You stole my house from me was what her mom had said because she, her mom, had to go into Hospice or something she had to. Something happened.

 

Amy: Yeah, she wasn't able to live there.

 

AP: She didn't have good memories here, and like she talks about some of the stuff that happened when she was a kid. And why.

 

Megan: Maybe she had good memories from her dad. We don't hear about much about her dad.

 

AP: No!

 

Megan: It's all Mom focused.

 

AP: It’s all Mommie Dearest.

 

Megan: The thought is that she probably had good memories with her dad.

 

Amy: Yeah.

 

Megan: And she was trying to hold onto those.

 

AP: Or it would.

 

Megan: Or maybe she wanted to put new memories into it.

 

AP: Or low market value.

 

Amy: Yeah.

 

AP: You know. Curious. So this was so this episode came. What? Out of what? 2013.

 

Amy: Hmm! Hmm! Hmm!

 

AP: 2012.?

 

Amy: Let me see 2014, January 31st 2014.

 

AP: And how long had did they say they had been in the house.

 

Megan: I don't think they.

 

Amy: Want to say.

 

AP: Right, which.

 

Amy: A couple of years.

 

AP: The housing crash was what 2008, 2009.

 

Megan: 2008 to 9.

 

AP: So wonder if she ended up having to buy it out from her mom? Because of that I don't know all speculation. Yeah.

 

Megan: But yeah, I wondered. Maybe had good memories from her dad. But speaking of.

 

AP: Good school, district.

 

Megan: Or a good school district. That's.

 

AP: That's big.

 

Megan: Like huge. That's yeah, huge.

 

Amy: Yeah, huge.

 

Megan: So then we're back to Amy, and she has an old lady. She watches and so let me go back to my notes.

 

Yeah, this is the mean old lady that she sees so she says she is angry and bitter and resentful and when this lady was alive she was distant and cold. She said she hates humanity in general, and she had to hide that.

 

 

Amy: Yeah. And she says she has a long spindly, like neck and skeleton legs.

 

Megan: I honestly thought I, I was shocked. She didn't draw that.

 

Amy: I know.

 

Megan: Cause she references her like being very big. Several times.

 

So I thought for sure that would be a drawing. But it wasn't, spoiler alert.

 

AP: Yeah. And I think right before we see some of this with Amy, we hear Cynthia and Steve as he's like talking to her about the house and her mom, her dad he passed at 90. He passed in 95.

 

And then, you know, her mom passed in the nursing home, and, like we said when she bought the house she was very upset, left her a message.

 

Steve’s like, ‘Bbut it's her daughter. Why wouldn't she want her to have the house?’ And just I made a note just. Cynthia seemed very hesitant in giving some like. She kind of thought about her answers. And she's like, Yeah, but as her daughter, she's like “well, she made it quite clear that she didn't want me to have it.”

 

Didn't you get along with your mom?

 

Well, she was very irritable type. Person had a really bad temper like.

 

Megan: So she never said.

 

AP: She says no, and that she was verbally and emotionally abusive.

 

Amy: Yes.

 

Megan: And that's to this day she was afraid of speaking out against her mom.

 

Amy: And she said that a couple times.

 

Megan: And a.

 

Amy: Later, when the way I think it was on the reveal when one of them said, You know what something about her.

 

Cynthia's made a comment about her mom and her husband jump back with something else, and she was like, “I was trying to be nice” you could tell. She didn't want to say what she.

 

AP: At the Reveal. She walks away for a second, and Steve says something and like, Well, you don't seem surprised. And he goes, yeah, he was like, I, basically, I saw that bitch like, let that switch.

 

Megan: But he treated her family like shit like that's what he said. paraphrasing. But yeah.

 

AP: yeah And so then the way that's cut with Amy. Then talking about this old lady, it's very evident that we are seeing mommy and.

 

Amy: Dearest.

 

AP: Yup, Mommy Dearest, and it's like, I think she sounds awful. I feel like she's a person that we all could have. We can all find to relate to that. We're like, they're not in our life anymore. They were either a movie villain or a real life villain that is this woman.

 

Megan: Yeah, yeah, she. yeah. The fact that she, Amy, said that she hates all of humanity.

 

Amy: Yeah.

 

Megan: Is like.

 

Amy: Yeah.

 

Megan: And she said she she hated that in life it's not like dying is what made her bitter like. She was like this in life.

 

Amy: Right. And I just wrote ‘sociopath?’ because I was like this sounds like a sociopath, and and.

 

Megan: And I was. And my thought was, this is, why not everybody should have children. This is why we shouldn't push people to have kids, because some people would not be good parents.

 

And that's okay.

 

Amy: That's okay. There's.

 

Megan: Doesn't make them bad people. This one, it does. But yeah. So that's a whole other podcast topic. But not everybody needs to have children to be fulfilled.

Male woman or other.

 

Amy: Absolutely.

 

Megan: I'm done one other thing I did wanna touch on, too.

 

Sorry. There's 2 things in the beginning which I skipped this, but Amy got jumped.

 

AP: Mmm.

 

Megan: She got jumped pretty hard, and from what I understood it was a pretty long time that she was jumped.

 

Amy: Yeah.

 

Megan: So if you're new or.

 

Amy: Sounded like it.

 

Megan: You haven't watched the show or anything. Being jumped is basically what Amy calls when a spirit enters her body.

 

AP: Mmm.

 

Megan: So she was jumped by a spirit. We find out who later, but we don't know now. And so this was a really tough walk for her. I think.

 

Amy: Yeah.

 

Megan: Yeah, it was. Yeah. She struggled with it.

 

AP: And don't worry. We have Steve for comedic relief, and asking if anybody's taking medications to have weird dreams or anything like that.

 

Amy: Ya Boozin’?

 

Megan: Well, actually, I took some acid last night, I mean, is that.

 

AP: I had an Ambien. I had an Ambien, and I downed it with a Manhattan.

 

Megan: Jack and then I made some racist tweets, but I think that was the Ambien talking.

 

Amy: Oh!

 

AP: Ugh, yeah.

 

Megan: Anything else about the mean woman or Amy being jumped.

 

AP: No.

 

Megan: And then another thing I wanted to touch on is the whole reason I feel like they called was because their son Nathaniel, who we've talked about.

 

He's 14. He's on the spectrum, and they feel like everything is kind of aiming at him. He actually doesn't sleep in his bedroom anymore. He switched with Cynthia and Nicholas because of everything that was happening. In the bedroom.

 

He was too scared to sleep in there.

 

AP: Yeah. And when we see Amy talking about this, she talks about the old lady liking this area, and it's, you know, a spot that I think it was actually Nathaniel's original room.

 

which is why he moved. “She wants to freak people out and make them leave not come in here. She's proud of inflicting pain”, and I'm like she's proud of tormenting her grandson?

 

Megan: Well, if well, she tormented her own children.

 

Amy: Yeah.

 

AP: Yes.

 

Amy: Yeah, Nicholas. Yeah, that, too. But Nicholas said that that mom/grandma actually told him one time that she preferred their dogs to the children.

 

Megan: Yeah that was in the reveal. Yeah.

 

Amy: So I'm like, well, of course, if she.

 

AP: I mean, I do too, but I don’t say that out loud.

 

Amy: I know.

 

Megan: And you don’t have kids.

 

AP: I know.

 

Megan: Like there's.

 

Amy: I would love.

 

AP: No.

 

Amy: I’m sure I would love my own children or grandchildren. I.

 

AP: Yes.

 

Amy: And I like other people's children because they go away after a while.

 

AP: You hand them back when they cry.

 

Megan: Saying that about kids in general and your own children like.

 

AP: Especially when?

 

Megan: Monster.

 

AP: And Amy's, you know, when she says she's inflicting pain, and Matt's like what kind of pain? Scratches. Oh, great! That's exactly what we've been hearing about what's happening to Nathaniel.

 

Megan: And they have a picture of Nathaniels. It's like a 8 inch long scratch.

 

AP: On his arm.

 

Megan: And it's deep like you know how some of them they show you pictures, and you're straining to see.

 

Not this was, yeah, a long yeah.

 

Amy: Yeah.

 

Megan: And scratch. It was like all down his forearm, essentially.

 

Amy: And then Mom told about how he also had one that was on his leg. From like his growing all the way down to his. I'll let me down his slide.

 

Megan: And so. yeah, yep.

 

AP: And then they they talk about again, bringing in. They've done several priest blessings. And I I was just like, Do you think, at this point. It's just pissing off whatever is causing it.

 

Like you just keep bringing this in. And now you're just challenging it to do more, because obviously it's not working that way.

 

Megan: But one thing that I put, and I don't know if I can put it into words, but like I feel so bad for them, because it's it's like they can't accept that the priest isn't working.

 

So it's like he. Even Nathaniel even says you know everything to me is black and white, you know, angels and demons good and bad, and in my mind I'm like.

 

Amy: Nicholas, Dad that said that.

 

Megan: What did I say?

 

Amy: Nathaniel.

 

Megan: Oh, sorry. Yes, it was Nicholas. Yeah, yes, it was Nicholas, the dad. And I'm just like, okay. But there's like other religions, other entities, other spirits, other. Choose your word here.

 

AP: Hmm.

 

Megan: So, but to me I don't think they were doing it out of.

 

AP: No.

 

Megan: Like, you know. Ign--, I think that's just their belief is so firm that they're like, well, it's this has to fix it and if it can't fix it, then it's not fixable.

 

Amy: Yeah.

 

Megan: So I don't know if that made sense. But that's yeah like it. It's just like so far out of their possibility that this could be something that you know. Priests and blessings can't fix.

 

But that doesn't mean that priests and blessings aren't good. It's just not the right tool.

 

Amy: And they work in the right circumstances.

 

Megan: Yes, it's just not the right tool. It's like trying to hammer a screw in like they're both good, you know, tools. But together they don't work.

 

Amy: Yeah.

 

Megan: Everybody that was an analogy. I just made up staying it up. All in here. AP's like.

 

AP: You've been hanging around me too long.

 

Megan: AP is, can you please? This doesn't make sense. It makes sense to me.

 

So yeah, I I you can tell that there's so concerned for their other, and they have 2 other boys or 2 other kids that we never hear about.

 

Amy: We don’t meet them.

 

Megan: I don't know if they're not experiencing anything. or if it's just like solely focused on Nathaniel.

 

Amy: Were they older and have moved out, okay.

 

AP: No, they still.

 

Megan: Still live there.

 

Amy: Oh, they do!

 

Megan: Yeah.

 

Amy: Right, right.

 

Megan: Cause he at the top. He's like who lives here. She's like, well.

 

Amy:  I forgot for a second.

 

AP: It's.

 

Amy: Interesting that I wonder if they did talk to them. And it was just cut because we've heard about that happening, too.

 

AP: Yeah.

 

Megan: Maybe.

But yeah, we don't. We don't hear about it. So so then again, we go back to Amy and she's talking about the old lady, the scary old lady, and then Amy says she's a sociopath, so, Amy, good for you. You name.

 

Amy: Ding ding ding

 

Megan: Amy gets AP Wrote in our notes, Gold Star for Amy.

 

Amy: Because I wrote, ‘nailed it.’

 

Megan: Then you wrote ‘sociopath’ earlier.

 

Amy: I did.

 

AP: Yes, she did.

 

Amy: I wanna note when when Amy is in Nathaniel's room.

And and she's walking around, and she says, “Old lady, does weird shit here”, cause I think I might want to cut that out and put that as a sound bite for the very beginning. The very intro to the intro.

 

Megan: Yeah, but yeah.

 

Amy: She does weird stuff on the floor and then she is this where she talks about?

Oh, no, it's not this part where she talks about it, where she talks about her sliding down the wall and.

 

Megan: No.

 

Amy: We'll get to that. Yeah.

 

Megan: Gross.

 

Amy: Okay, so that's the end of segment. One, right? Yep.

 

Megan: Anything else.

 

Amy: I have nothing else.

 

AP: We just had a quick chat with Nathaniel, and I mean we learn he's a sweet kid.  All of that stuff and Steve brings out. Are you sure it wasn't the cat that scratched you?

 

Megan: Steven, get it together.

 

Amy: Yes, Steve it’s never the dogs.

 

Megan: The cat's not gonna leave an 8-inch scratch on your hand.

 

Amy: No.

 

Megan: I mean on your arm. Cat scratches are not 8 inches long.

 

AP: I have a pretty good scar on on my arm from my cat, and goes from here to about here.

 

Amy: Really, wow.

 

AP: I was holding KC short for Kitty Cat. And someone started the vacuum cleaner.

 

Megan: oooh.

 

AP: I was. It was the year “Hocus Pocus” came up because we bandaged up, and we went out to see “Hocus Pocus”.

 

Megan: That was a good movie? Yep.

 

AP: But at the end of this segment, by the way, the last line that Amy has is she definitely likes screwing with the kid. Now.

 

Great.

 

Amy: She's she wants to kill the mom and then move on to the kid.

 

AP: Yes, thank thanks, grandma. She wants to kill her daughter ad fuck with her grandson.

 

Megan: So she can focus on him. This woman's terrible.

 

Amy: What a peach.

 

AP: Awful.

 

SEGMENT TWO

 

Megan: Yeah. So next we're moving to segment two.

Doo-little-doo-doo-doo, where we meet Steven Nadell. He's a genealogist.

 

Amy: Not a gynecologist.

 

Megan: And so he talks about the Belcher family. And I wrote “any relation to Bob Belcher of Belchers, of Bob's Burgers?”

 

Amy: Yeah, later down when Steve goes. So what is the Belcher family? When does the Belcher family get involved? And I'm like, they opened a burger shop?

 

Megan: Yeah, they opened a burger shop.

 

Yeah. Great show. By the way, “Bob's Burgers”.

 

So this one they talk about how the Belcher family history. So November of 1635. I did think it was really interesting when Steve, when he started talking about this, is like it's very rare in my investigations that my… when I go looking through the archive they go back like 400 years, because we're in Massachusetts. So. Where everything started. So in 1635, John Bill Belcher that was his full John Bill they referred to as John Bill and his wife immigrated from England, and then by 1690 the family owns most of Pollen Point, which is now today's Winthrop, which is the town we're in.

 

Then we've got in 1697 Hannah Bill marries Joseph Belcher, who it took me a minute. I had to rewind, and I'm like I thought he was already married. But no, that's his son.

 

Amy: Yeah, I did that, too.

 

Megan: So. yeah, has it.

 

Amy: I did that, too, because it was many years later, and I thought we were talking about it happening back then. I had to do the math in my head. Yeah. Yup.

 

Megan: And then in the mid to late 1800s, about a dozen Belcher children, under the age of 4, die. Actually most of them are under the age of 3, under the age of 2.

 

Amy: Yeah some of them were babies.

 

Megan: Wrote them all down. So we've got David Belcher, age one died

in 1864 of cholera, Selena Belcher, aged 2, almost 3. She was 2 years, 10 months died of consumption tuberculosis.

 

Gertie Belcher at 3 months, died. There were no dates for her. It was just the year 1881. Cholera. Arthur was 2 months. Cholera

 

Jesse, one year old, died of hydrophilia water pressure on the brain.

 

albro, one day old died the same day as Jesse.

 

The who died of hydrophilia deformation of the head.

 

Archie Belcher was one day 27-month-old, died of cholera, and Helen Mildred was 2 years. She died of inflammation of the brain.

 

AP: So cholera was easily spread through water. So that is very, you know, especially with so many of them. What, half of them passed away from cholera?

 

Megan: I'm sure they were all in like a small quarters, all sharing water.

 

AP: Well, even if it was at different times, you still have the same, you know, you still have a water supply that's going through. And actually, I remember doing a class on groundwater and adding chlorine to water in the early 1900s saved more lives in since then than all of the rest of history combined anything else having anything else, any other advancement at that time, because it killed cholera and other things like that.

 

Megan: Yeah. And I know Amy took a picture of the All of them.

 

Amy: Yeah.

 

Megan: But yeah, there's a lot. And then Amy, do you want to say what your comment was?

 

Amy: I? Yeah. I looked up. Hydro. hydrocephaly. But that

 is that the.

 

AP: So it's it should be hydrocephaly.

 

Amy: That's the.

 

AP: Water. I'm sorry.

 

Amy: They wrote it. Funny. It's maybe they just called it something different back then. But yeah, I deformation of the head.

 

And then it said it was said. Hydrophelia, hydrophelia is what it said, water pressure on the brain. And when I looked it up it's actually well now, anyway, it's called hydrocephaly.

 

AP: Yeah. Seph, means head, hydro water.

 

Amy: Hydrocephalus. So then, I have some links that I will put the show notes to about that. But it says, what is hydrocephalus. Hydrocephalus is a neurological disorder. This is from Johns Hopkins. No, it's not. It's from the National Institute of neurological disorders and stroke.

 

“What is hydrocephalus is a neurological disorder caused by an abnormal build up of cerebro, spinal…”

 

AP: Cerebro, yeah.

 

Amy: “Cerebral spinal fluid in the ventricles, cavities deep within the brain. This excess fluid causes the ventricles to widen, putting harmful pressure on the brain's tissues.”

 

Amy: and then WebMD Gave us 3 causes of it.

 

Megan: Well, that's WebMD.

 

Amy: Blockage, tumors, cysts, birth, defects, brain injury. See, I was trying to find something hinky going on with this.

 

Megan: Sure.

 

Amy: And dying. So I was thinking maybe they were getting clocked in the head.

 

Megan: I don't think it was. I think it was just the time of the earth.

 

Amy: I.

 

AP: Yeah, it depends, you know, using the water well, depending on. When all of those deaths were happening. Hydrocephaly like that can happen in

 humans. It happens in other mammals as well, and you'll see a large deformation on the skull.

 

Because cartilaginous, you'll see that pressure kind of push outwards. Can, some can survive it.

 

But it is fairly common, especially at that point of time would be pretty fatal.

 

Yeah, yeah.

 

Megan: But I mean I don't think there was any abuse just.

 

Amy: Yeah, maybe not that’s what I was looking for cause it seems suspicious.

 

Megan: Just a lot of…it was just a shitty time.

 

AP: And like. I mean easily that  you know, if one of the you know a couple of the ones that died when they were very young. Traumatic births.

It's very they get stuck. A friend of mine was in labor for 46 h with hers, who head got stuck in her pelvis.

 

Megan: Yeah, and then.

 

AP: Had to like, actually.

 

Megan: Did they vacuum it out?

 

AP: No, she was at a midwife, and so they had to like reach in and and reposition baby.

 

Megan: Oh, I'm sure that was great.

 

Amy: Oh like they do with cows.

 

AP: So. But any you know, stuff like that, there's all sorts of things that could have happened, and obviously wasn't the cleanest, because the person who.

 

Megan: It was 1800s!

 

AP: Well when they finally, when somebody said, Hey, maybe we should wash our instruments and wash our hands, he got laughed at.

 

Megan: Yeah.

 

AP: Until it started taking death rates of surgical procedures down.

 

Megan: One thing I put in my notes that I'm not sure we wanted to talk about is the talk about the smallpox epidemic, because I don't really feel like that's brought up much.

And it's not in the review at all.

 

Amy: That Steve is like is, for some reason they said the guy he's talking to: Bob Gill. There was this, yeah, Bob Gilles, historian. There's a smallpox epidemic, and I'm like that was like 20 years later that they had nothing to do with these children dying.

 

Megan: I believe it was way before

 

Amy: Was it?

 

Megan: 130 years. It was December and 1751.

 

Amy: Oh okay.

 

Megan: The Bumper came to town and ran aground [indistinct].

 

Amy: Oh. Yeah.

 

Megan: Just kidding. That's not. I just made that up, but I like they talked, and it's never referenced again. The only thing.

 

Amy: It didn’t have anything to do with what Amy saw.

 

Megan: No, the only thing Amy talked about was, she talked about people running. I see all of these men running up. They're all dying, and they're all scared.

That was it.

 

AP: Yeah.

 

Megan: That was it. It was like 4 seconds.

 

Amy: She did talk about a bunch of children. Didn't she talk about a bunch of children, ghosts? And then the lady was saying, I killed them, and then a man said to her, No, she didn't kill them. But that would have been not the right time frame anyway.

 

Megan: That would have been the case. That would have been the other. It wouldn't have been the.

 It wouldn't have been the smallpox, because they were all men right.

 

AP: Yeah, no, I, just.

 

Megan: Not alll men, but.

 

Amy: Hashtag, not all men.

 

Megan: Not all.

 

AP: And this one was. The ship ran aground.

 

Amy: Yeah.

 

AP: And or you know, and then the he needed to get everything off the ship. But his crew was sick, so, trying to contain it. He brought townspeople in, because.

 

Amy: Does not make sense.

 

Megan: That work that's.

 

AP: That's how it works.

 

Megan: 7,500 people were infected, and 569 died.

 

AP: And just said it feels kind of ironic, epidemic, pandemic, tomato, tomato.

 

Amy: Steve said. “That's a Scumbag move.”

 

AP: [giggles]

 

Amy: You didn't feel it, that way about …

 

Megan: Cheeto man did you? Your favorite.

 

AP: Ahh Cheetos

 

Amy: Anyway.

 

Megan: I do like Cheetos.  So does Jordan. Okay, and then we get to our gruesome murder. So.

 

We get to lieutenant, and I don't know how to say his name. They never said his name.

 

Amy: They didn't. I think it's pra... I would say prahs-new-ski.

 

Megan: Press, new press, press, new press, new ski. (Prosniewski)

 

Amy: prahs-new-ski is how I would say it.

 

Megan: Really great.

 

AP: Hmm.

 

Megan: And they were talking about how these people found they were fishing, or something.

 

AP: These young boys that were fishing, and they found a suitcase in the river.

 

Megan: And I said, Never open anything you find, A never a bag, a suitcase, a barrel.

 

AP: Picturing these kids being like ten.

 

Megan: A lunchbox. Yeah.

 

Amy: Yeah, I picture like, “Stand By Me”.

 

Megan: I know, but I'm just saying like, don't… just don't open anything.

 

Amy: Boys do all sorts of dumb shit.

 

Megan: Oh, my God, they so do.

 

AP: I think that was interesting. Interesting about this episode is, it felt like there was a lot of stuff from history that is unfortunately still relevant today.

 

Megan: Mmmmm

 

AP: And this whole Story.

 

Megan: Yes, yes, this. Okay. So we have. Susanna... What was her name?

 

AP: Geary.

 

Amy: Geary.

 

Megan: Geary. She was a 20-year-old dancer, originally from Massachusetts, and she was in Boston.

 

Megan: and a picture from the newspaper was 1905, and Steve says she's a pretty girl.

 

AP: She's relegated to being “a pretty girl”.

 

Megan: And I said that I I hate that because it's like it doesn't make the crime worse or better, that somebody's pretty or not pretty. It doesn't matter, so can we stop saying it?

 

 So prepare yourself, everybody, because...

 

Amy: Yeah, this is where it gets.

 

Megan: Becomes pregnant and she's not married.

 

[Gasps]

 

Amy: Clutch your pearls.

 

Megan: Everybody? and I wrote “gasp, the biggest sin of all!”

 

Her and her boyfriend who really decided this decided that a baby was not right for them at this time, and would slow their careers.

 

AP: I mean to be fair. I know we wanna be super critical here in that he was making the choice, but she was also a dancer, and that's how she made money.

 

Amy: That's true. The only reason I thought it wasn't her idea, or that she only went along with it because he wanted to, is because her spirit is so sad about it.

 

AP: I think her spirit so sad because of what happened overall in the whole thing, and if you could do it again.

 

Megan: She's so sad because she lost a child. Yeah, so she goes. And it's 1905. Everybody. So abortions are illegal. There's still illegal in places, but that’s neither here nor there. So she.

 

Amy: Actually it's right here, right there.  I don't mean right here in Minnesota. I just mean. It’s very relevant.

 

Megan: 120 years later, and nothing has changed.

 

Amy: We're still fucking around with this.

 

Megan: Yep.So they decide to get an abortion, an illegal abortion. So they find a doctor to do it. It doesn't go well, because, of course it doesn't. And she developed septicemia and Perry, Tony Peritonitis.

 

AP: Peritonitis.

 

Amy: Peritonitis.

 

Megan: Yeah, so, Steve.

 

AP: Itis is inflammation of Peri is around, so whatever, so probably around the womb, she.

 

Megan: Oh!

 

AP: An inflammation, an infection.

 

Megan: and to all this I said, “interesting, it's almost like, we should make abortions, legal so that they can be done safely and ensure the mother survives.”

 

Amy: Oh, that's an amazing idea, Megan.

 

Megan: Should really bring.

 

Amy: You should make a a post about that or something. Maybe somebody will take notice.

 

Megan: So basically, she dies and then so she gets this infection goes back to the doctor. There's another procedure they do. That doesn't go. Well, okay. So I to fix the 1st one.

 

AP: I talked to my mom about this a little bit because she's watching the episode with me, cause I was like, well.It's sepsis. So septicemia is sepsis.

 

Megan: Sepsis-, yeah.

 

AP: Which which is it? Just? It's an infection can be blood infection, but it's an infection it it wasn't. They probably didn't use clean hands and clean tools right? Right? And so go back to our leeches. Talk of earlier like, why did they just do some bloodletting cause that's what they fix everything with.

 

Megan: I wrote, “get the demons out of her blood with the leeches.”

 

Amy: Yeah.

 

AP: But I mean from what my mom said, it's like, maybe they try to cut or scrape away the infection, depending on where it might have been and they could have ruptured a clot or something else could have ruptured when they, and they could have cut too deep, and she could have been too far gone, because more than likely, like we hear that she was very sickly, like coming in. She already was rather skinny. So.

 

Megan: She was a dancer.

 

AP: And she was probably if you watch “Dirty Dancing” at all with. I can't remember the dancer's name, but she gets sick after having.

 

Amy: Oh, yeah. Yeah.

 

AP: In the in the movie right? And so she would pay.

 

Megan: It took me like 20 years to understand what…that…I did not understand. What happened in that movie until I was an adult. I did not understand that she had gotten an abortion, and it went bad.

 

AP: So think of that. But times like 50 is most likely how poor Susannah was when she came in there.

 

Megan: So she died and because this was an illegal abortion, the doctors were like “Fuck what do we do? We weren't supposed to do this in the 1st place”, so their brilliant move was to cut her body up and put it in the river because that's the way to get it out.

 

Amy: As you do.

 

Megan: Yes, yep.

 

Megan: So that's what.

 

Amy: That's what Robert Durst did. Not after an abortion, but.

 

AP: They probably cut her stomach like the actual stomach organ.

 

Megan: Oh, yeah, you're probably right.

 

Amy: The guy. I looked up, said that peritonitis, which they didn't even talk about in the show.

 

AP: Yeah, that's.

 

Amy: They said, it's a it's a redness or swelling inflammation of the lining of your belly or abdomen.

 

The lining is called the peritoneum. “It's often caused by an infection from a hole in the bowel or a burst appendix. You must see medical help right away.”

 

AP: So when they hacked her they.

 

Megan: Hmm.

 

AP: They hacked into the.

 

Amy: Nicked something they weren't supposed to.

 

Megan: Yeah. So yeah, they killed her, and then they cut her up. To to dispose of her because they didn't want to get in trouble, because abortion was illegal.

 

AP: so let's just cut her up and put her into suitcases that then children go and find.

 

Megan: Right?

 

AP: Don't worry. They don't face any charges.

 

Amy: Oh, yeah, great! No. If you're worried about these guys that chopped her up threw here away, don't worry about them at all.

 

AP: They're fine.

 

Amy: Yeah. Thanks.

 

Megan: Good I was concerned. One thing I thought I noted was really interesting is that back? I mean, they post didn't post because they didn't have the Internet, but they published pictures that were so. I I.

 

Amy: It is.

 

Megan: I was like the Po. The picture that they have is not super bad. But if you look at other pictures that were printed in the paper a lot of alliteration there. I didn't even do that on purpose. It's amazing what was printed in newspapers back in the day.

 

Amy: It was.

 

Megan: I mean, you see, like the mob hits, they show the bodies they show the blood.

 

Amy: I saw that when I was researching for Volsteadland.

 

AP:, Bonnie, and Clyde.

 

Amy: Yes.

 

AP: Completely shot up in their car, were literally like paraded around town.

 

Megan: Hmm.

 

Amy: It’s crazy.

 

Megan: Yeah.

 

 

Megan: So yeah. As Amy, as AP said, the people that helped the doctor dispose of Suzanne's body were convicted, and they were sent to penitentiary for 7 years.

 But the doctor was charged, but he was acquitted, so, thank God [that’s sarcasm]

 

 

Amy: So, I found a article.  I read, I dug a little into this, and I found an article that said that it was actually a woman doctor who performed I can't remember.

 

AP: Were women allowed to be doctors at that point in time, or just midwives.

 

Amy: She she maybe wasn't a doctor, but she is well, it said. “The person that performed the abortion was a woman named Mary S. Dean” but Dr. Percy is the one that dismembered her so so interesting that that never came up in that would yeah abuse.

 

 

Megan:  …with abuse of a corpse honestly like if he didn't kill her.

 

 

Amy: Yeah, he might have been the one to work on her when she came back though.

 

 

AP: Overseeing, but he might have been overseeing it all too.

 

 

Megan: Oh, yeah.

 

Amy: Yeah, he could have been.

 

AP: So who knows but I, Amy, I appreciate that you put down like. Why don't we talk about? Why, he was acquitted, Amy, but he was a man.

 

 Amy: Yeah, and I.

 

AP: She was a she was a lowly girl who happened to get pregnant.

 

 Megan: And I said, unwed.

 

 Amy: She got herself in trouble.

 

 Megan: She was a it was her fault. Yep. What's she wearing.

 

 AP: Obviously.

 

Megan: Was she drinking?

 

AP: She probably showed her ankles.

 

 Megan: Probably even her wrists. That's how you really get them going. Is you show the wrists?

 

 So then Amy does the sketch and she sketches the woman who jumped her that she experienced all the pain from.

 

So now we're on to segment. 3. Is that the review?

 

Did we have anything else we wanted to touch on in segment. 2.

 

 

AP: Nope! Don't think.

 

Amy: So I had some stuff. But it's not that important, and we're getting close to time. So.

 

Megan: Okay.

 

Amy: We should just scooch along.

 

 

SEGMENT THREE

 

 

Megan: So now we're at the Reveal, and Amy struggling at the beginning. She's really like on my walk. I was jumped by a female and became ill, and then Steve reaches over and is like “it's really hard for her to get jumped. It's not easy. I feel bad for her,” and I said, Why couldn't Steve stay like this.

 

Amy: I know.

 

Megan: So.

 

Amy: I started crying when she reached over and touched her, and like was patting her back. I was like, Oh, my God, Steve, you cared about her. At one point.

 

Megan: Yeah. and he's like you can hear it in his voice. He's like, I hate this for her like it is like really hard for her.

 

What happened to that Steve? Can we bring him back? No, he's dead.

Why? Because the old Taylor's dead, that's what it was… a Swift reference.

 

AP: I got it.

 

Megan: Thank you. Millennials unite. So then Amy talks about the getting jumped by the young woman, and how she was very skinny for someone who is pregnant.

 

 

And so she talks about how sad Amy talks about how sad the spirit is for cause she lost her baby, and then that's and Steve like. “Well, this sounds familiar.” Well, does it, Steve? Does it sound.

 

AP: He does. She does also say that at this point, you know, she just wanted to take a gun.

 

Amy: Yeah.

 

 Megan: When she doing the walk. She's like, if I was this person I would have just taken a gun to my head. Yeah. Like it is so.

 

Amy: So awful.

 

Megan: Overwhelming, and I likw I have never experienced child loss. But I told my mom once, if if Jordan ever died like I don't think I would want to live.

 

Amy: Yeah.

 

Megan: I don't think I would, because I can't imagine the pain of that.

 

AP: well. And this woman was completely destroyed by mankind.

 

Megan: Yeah, there is, you know.

 

AP: Now, what if? What if that all went right? Abortion went right, and she didn't have that. She may not have had the same may still have had some sadness. That's why there's a lot of counseling in in things.

 

 But maybe because of how traumatic everything was and how sick she got it just continued to amplify.

 

Megan: Her pain. And you know, even for people who want an abortion like it's still, I can't imagine a tough choice like.

 

Amy: Yeah. It's still not fun.

 

Megan: You know, it's not fun. Yeah, I would think I've never had one. But  When I left my ex I had money set aside, so if I found out I was pregnant, I would have had one to avoid being tied to him.

 

AP: Exactly. But lot of women do that.

 

Megan: That should be available, and the fact that it's not is really shitty.

 

Cannot emphasize how much, how upset we are over that

 

So then we so then Amy's like. Well, I had a sketch done of what I saw, and they pull her out and the sketch, not the girl and.

 

AP: It is.

 

Amy: I have her in my back pocket.

 

AP: Here she's in my pocket. Come on out.

 

Megan: But the sketch I thought was really I thought it was spot on, like I could see the similarities. Yeah.

 

AP: But well.

 

Megan: We're the same.

 

AP: I wrote down earlier that the way Amy described her was doe-eyed.

And that is very much. You can see that in the actual picture, and you can see that in the.

 

Megan: As well.

 

Amy: Sketch. Yeah. Yup.

 

Megan: The eyes are the same. The mouth would be the same if she was smiling. But in the sketch she's not cause she's so sad.

 

And again Steve goes. “I got a picture of her. She's a pretty girl, too”, and I was just like I said, I hate this. It doesn't make the crime any better or worse.

 

Amy: I think it's 1 of those old guy things it's like I'm gonna try and give her a compliment by saying, she's pretty.

 

AP: But we don't talk about like when he takes out a picture of one of the guys he days ago. Well, he's a handsome young.

 

Amy: Handsome guy. Yeah. No.

 

AP: So play it the same way.

 

Amy: It’s patriarchy.

 

Megan: Exactly. Exactly. Yeah.

 

AP: But I I think we kind of end there with this woman like it's it's horrible. But then we get to the elderly bitch.

 

Megan: Yeah. It's a really good word, Amy said. “I see this elderly woman. She's filled with resentment, hatred, and bitterness. One of the things that she expressed was that she absolutely disdains humanity.”

 

And then Amy took a picture of Steve with his head in his hands. Ring shot. And I'm like, yeah, that's about how we all feel.

 

Amy: Yeah.

 

AP: There was several times in this reveal where, like his face, was

 

AP: dead on for whatever Amy was talking about, and like yep, yep, she nailed it.

 

Amy: Yup! Yup! He used to be in awe of her.

 

Megan: Yes, it makes me so sad because this Steve and new current, Steve, two different people.

 

Amy: Yeah.

 

Megan: And I don't know what happened (I do know what happened), but it just. It makes me so sad cause, like Amy said he was in awe of her. He like respected her, and he was continuously like shocked and odd by what she did.

 

And maybe he just saw it so much that he lost that I don't know but the way he is at the beginning of the show, and the way he treats her it just slips.

 

Amy: Yeah, it seems to have done.

 

AP: But going back to the episode, I will say Amy's face throughout this whole time, when they're talking about the mother, and how much she hated her daughter. It's just like she's just like in shock.

 

Megan: Ask Cynthia like, did you feel abused as a child? And Cindy is like, oh, absolutely.

 I will say, Amy, I love love her. Facial expressions like you know what's going on up here, cause it is here.

 

Amy: She’d be a terrible poker player.

 

Megan: No, but I just cause she's like. Wow, like I, she's just so. I just love her so much but yeah, like AP said her. She was just completely in shock that a human! A mother could treat.

 

AP: Well, let me hear from Cynthia, cause like

 

AP: Steve pulls out the picture, asks Amy. Could this be her? She's like, yeah, but she's definitely older when I'm seeing her. And then Cynthia talks about why she bought the house, and when she got the papers and her mom left her a voicemail. Now she tells us that the voicemail said things like you stole the effing house.

 

You don't give a fuck about what I think. Fuck you fuck everyone.

 

Basically she says, use your imagination.

 

Yeah, I had an aunt that was a little bit like this. She passed away years ago, but probably similar to Nathaniel in a way like was never diagnosed with anything, because my grandma refused to at that time in the 60 s to allow her to be diagnosed with anything right.

 

Megan: Well, we didn't talk about it.

 

Amy: So they'd never tested women for any stuff like that. It was on.

 

AP: No, well, she would have just been put into a home, probably at some point she was definitely vulnerable. Adults.

 

But when my She lived with my grandparents all her life, and when she, when they passed away like she couldn't hold a job. She couldn't do anything, and so my uncle had purchased the house for my grandparents a while ago or a while prior to that, to make sure they didn't have to take out the payments when my! When my grandpa passed, I think to make sure my grandma didn't have to take on the payments, and then he eventually had to sell the house and my aunt was pissed.

 

Stole my house. You stole everything. She wrote him off after that, like one by one she started writing all of us off for something you know, not near like this. She had a good heart and a good soul, but the problem was this, she could tell you, Amy one story, Megan. She could tell you another story, and she could tell me another story all about the same thing, but believe every single version.

 

Megan: One of them, yeah.

 

Amy: Yep.

 

AP: So like I just connected a little bit to that, but definitely nowhere near what this woman was just I could draw a line.

 

Megan: Yeah.

 

AP: And stress that goes into having to help with a lot of different things.

 

Amy: Yeah.

 

Megan: Yeah. So now we talk about we're we're talking about the mom still. And Amy said, all I know is that the woman I met repressed a lot of stuff that did not really give a fuck about anybody, and Nicholas goes, ‘Sounds right’  Yeah. Yep.

 

Amy: Nailed it.

 

Megan: So then Amy said, what she's doing, Steve goes. What is she doing on her house? And Amy said nothing good. She wants to scare people, and then she said, she wants to cause.

 

Amy: Cawse.

 

Megan: Huge accent.

 

Megan: I wrote accent here. Insert accent here.

 

Amy: Insert accent here.

 

Megan: So she says also, this woman is, likes to enter people's nightmares and create them.

 

Amy: Yeah,

 

AP: cool.

 

Amy: And I noted that Steve nearly jumped out of his chair.

 

Megan: Yeah.

 

Amy: Said that because he was yeah connecting that to the nightmares that they've had.

 

Megan: And then, Cynthia said, last night I had one. I had a parachute jump go wrong.

She's like there,  I've also had boating accident nightmares, and.

 

AP: It's like the mom is believing this. You remember, we've all been told that if you die in your dreams you die for real. It's like she's. It's like she believes that.

 

Megan: She's trying to make it happen.

 

AP: If I can kill her in her dream. Then she's out of my way.

 

Megan: Cause. Like, we said, that's her goal. She wants Cynthia, gone, so.

 

So she, which.Bitch. That's your fucking, daughter.

 

Amy: I know, like.

 

Megan: I just don't get it. I don't get it. And then Steve said, you mentioned it can get. “Physical, Physical”

 

Amy: Physical

 

Megan: and then they show a picture of Nathaniel and his scratch.

 

Amy: I thought you were gonna say they show a picture of Olivia Newton-John!

 

Megan: They should have honestly.

 

AP: Yeah.

 

Megan: Physical, Physical

 

AP: But this The whole thing is just getting hard on everyone, and then Amy comes in and is like, yes, she wants to strangle you.

 

Megan: Yeah. Just fyi.

 

AP: And then, you know, Steve, like throws his head into his hands like this is heavy for everyone in the room, but I feel like Nicholas at one point just is feeling almost a vindicated the fact of like kind of like. I knew it. He doesn't say he thought it was her, but it's almost like well, I kind of figured I figured something was going on cause obviously, as we said, they tried to get rid of demons, but it wasn't a demon. So therefore.

 

Megan: Well.

 

AP: Wasn't really.

 

Megan: it was in a sense, but yeah.

 

AP: It wasn't. It wasn't a entity that was not a living person at some point And time..

 

 

Megan: It wasn't. Gonna it wasn't going to work, because yeah but I mean this, like Cynthia has to leave because she feels so sick because basically, Amy's like, Yeah, she wants to kill you and then go after Nathaniel. And she said, I do.

 

Amy: Can you imagine finding out. Your mother wants to kill you?

 

Megan: Your child, and go after your child?

 

And then Amy said, I definitely got the sense that she would go after him big time like.

 

And then that's when Cynthia says I feel so sick. And then she had to get up and take a break.

 

This was a really heavy reveal like, I don't think I’ve seen reveals this heavy. They’re few and far between.

 

AP: We’ve seen them heavy, but in different ways, because this one was a family.

 

Thing, but you know, at one point I mean Amy at towards the end. Here, we know, like when Amy asked if she was abused as a kid and all that stuff. And then Amy says, I mean, does she really feel like you guys just ruined her life, or what Cynthia goes. Yeah, she had a hot temper, for sure, lady, she had more than a hot temper.

 

Amy: That’s not a hot temper.

 

AP: I love. How sweet, And but this is also that abuse, like the abuse that happened to Cynthia, all of her life has made her have to defend.

 

Megan: Yes.

 

AP: she’s defending her mother.

 

Amy: Making excuses for her, her whole life..

 

AP: So, and she. even though she knows exactly what happened. So. Cynthia, I hope you're free.

 

Amy: Yeah. I hope so too.

 

Megan: So then now and we're like, well, can they…

 

So we're gonna have to know, can you stay here, or can you go and so Amy said, the first thing you have to do is deal with the woman. Who's very sad. This is Susanna. So you're gonna have to get a mental medium.

 

And so she explains, a mental medium is a type of medium that does not feel the Indu individuals death like Amy. So Amy is not a mental medium. She's a physical medium.

 

AP: Hmm.

 

Megan: So Steve said, Well, what is this mental medium gonna do? And then Amy's like, just talk to him. Her talk to her over 2 days they're gonna be talking to her about. You know her telling the story to help her move on.

 

Because that's all she wants is to tell her story, basically.

 

And then there's the mom. I don't even do. We even know her name. Did they ever tell us her name? Good! She doesn't deserve to.

 

Amy: She doesn’t get a name.

 

Megan: She doesn't get a name. It's like when True Crime Obsessed They when they talk about murderers, they don't name them. They call them the killer cause they don't get their name to be told right?

 

So what to do this is really interesting, and I don't think I've ever seen her give this advice before or since is to write her a letter, and in the letter you're going to, Cynthia is going to tell her mom what she is no longer allowed to do.

 

“She can't control you, your home, your family, your dreams, should taking back power and control of your home.” and then she'll have a physical medium come and you, meaning Cynthia and the physical medium are going to deal with her. And then I want you to read your letter. I want you to yell like. Just scream at her.

 

Finish what you write, and then, when you're done, the medium will get rid of her, and then that will move her on.

 

AP: And I think Amy really went hard on this as what we talked about, Cynthia. She's been defending her mom that not defending, but she's been making excuses for her mom.

 

Megan: Grained and hurt.

 

AP: Well, Amy tells her “you are going to freaking yell at her. You are not going to stop. I don't care if you feel like you're going to throw up. I don't care if you feel like something's gonna happen to you. You need to finish”. And she like hammers that point home.

 

So then what happens?

 

Megan: So they do everything.

 

Megan: Cynthia and Nicholas followed all of Amy's advice. The activity has decreased significantly, and everyone is back to sleeping in their own bedrooms.

 

AP: Yes.

 

Megan: So I I really am glad. I hope they're doing okay, because, you know, this was a they were so scared for their son like. Even Nicholas said like this is a last resort, and I don't think he would have called them in if it had been, if it For Nicholas Yeah, he almost was like the skeptic person but not a dick about it, like I'm calling you in, because this is our last resort. We've done the priests. We've done the blessings, and it's not working, and I'm scared for my son.

 

Amy: Yeah. And as one of you noted the reason that  but priest, blessings and stuff didn't work

 is like that. She wasn't really. She wasn't a demon. She was just a lady with.

 

Megan: She was just a psycho pathicbitch

 

Amy: who didn't, you know, Probably didn't believe in all that stuff, anyway. So.

 

AP: Or she did, and just found a way that she could control everything, because that is also often what happens.

 

Megan: Yes, it is very sad, and I will say it again. Not everybody is meant to be a parent.

 

Amy: Exactly.

 

Megan: And that doesn't make you a bad person.

 

AP: Not like not like this lady.

 

Amy: Yeah.

 

Megan: But for other reasons.

 

Amy: Right, yeah.

 

Megan: But if you don't wanna have kids that's fine, don't. Don't have kids.

 

AP: Good episode, Megan. Good choice.

 

Megan: Was a real. I didn't even know it when I picked it up base on.

 

AP: And then I mean.

 

Megan: Accents.

 

AP: Same with the one that Amy and I covered a couple of weeks ago. That was a good one, so hopefully, the next one will be.

 

Megan: I think I watched that one cause wasn't there. Think I watch that.

 

Amy: You've got a bug in your room or a it's a ghost.

 

AP: it’s a bug.

 

Megan: It’s a bug, flying around.

 

Amy: Yeah, that one was, that was a tough one, because it had. Well, this one had a lot of child death, too, but. Little different.

 

Megan: For some reason it's easier for me when it's in the history.

 

Amy: Yeah.

 

Megan: I don't know why. It's still a baby that died like this person. I don't know how this woman kept going when she lost so many children.

 

AP: Hmm.

 

Amy: I know.

 

Megan: And they were. It was like all, so close.

 

Amy: Yeah.

 

Megan: So like 3 months, 2 months! One day.

 

Amy: Yeah.Crazy.

 

Megan: 2 of them died the same day. 2 babies died March 21, st 1885.

 

Amy: yikes anyway.

 

AP: So on. That note.

 

Amy: On that note. Thanks for joining us.

 

Megan: Thanks for joining us, everybody.

 

Amy: Now AP is gonna tell us what we're doing.

 

AP: Yeah, next week so we'll be releasing the sideshow episode where we've done all of our chatting. So catch us there.

 

But the next recap episode we're doing is my choice. And I chose this one forever ago because I've been wanting to cover this one, as it's the only Alaska episode that's out there. And it happened in season one potentially episode 21.

 

But it's it's called “Arctic Wrath”.

 

So you know, this one could be really interesting, I'm sure, because of travel abilities and the limitations to Alaska and that sort of stuff you know, probably rant into some of those issues.

 

But Alaska's a pretty cool place and fun and is intended on that.

 

But join me with a chilled hot chocolate next week, chilled or frozen hot chocolate.

 

Megan: Isn’t that just chocolate milk.

 

AP: No! Have you never had a frozen hot chocolate? Well, there's a recipe in in the.

 

Megan: I'm gonna have to make.

 

Amy: We should make them, and have it while we're yeah, while we're recording.

 

AP: That's why I put it in there.

 

Megan: I got real excited when we were choosing this because I was like, “Oh, my God! There's an Alaskan one, and I was like, that's what I'm doing.”

And then, like.

 

Amy: No it’s not!

 

Megan: Nope. That's the one Amy's doing.

 

AP: Yep, and there are different recipes for frozen hot chocolates out there. But these that's basically blending milk, chocolate, chips ice and together.

 

Megan: No beans

 

Amy: no beans.

 

AP: No, no beans for hot chocolate, no. But thanks everyone.

 

Megan: Thanks everyone. We'll.

 

Amy: Thanks everybody!

 

Megan: See you later.

 

AP: Megan: Amy: Bye